Apparently the new MoD got a look at a RAAF C17 and decided we needed some.
Probably finally found an aircraft he could fit in.
GB was once reported as having wittily observed that although it has been said that no man is an island he could understand if some might make an exception in his case!
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Australia is investigating the purchase of an additional C-17A Globemaster III heavy lift aircraft Minister for Defence Stephen Smith said today. Australia has sent a Letter of Request to the United States regarding the potential purchase of an additional C-17A aircraft through the United States Foreign Military Sales program, formally seeking cost and availability information.
From the language, I'm guessing that the same mechanism is being used.
Anyone know when A400M's would be available? I get the feeling that some Euro countries would be happy to give up their slots/on-sell their orders before delivery.
so yes, just listened to it too. 250 mill each, someone at the news desk must have got that off Wikipedia etc as if that would not be the price. nothing regards any deal with aussies either. The words as replacements for the 5 Vietnam era Hercules. Cannot see replacement 1 for 1. so a waiting game now.
I suspect a C-17 price would be substantially north of NZD 250 mil per aircraft. The Aussies paid AUD 260 mil in 2011 for their 5th C-17, and AUD 280 mil for the 6th in 2012. Those prices probably don't include much in the way of support or training equipment either (as that would already have been paid for). Australia also has a free trade agreement with the US and most-favoured nation status under the US FMS system. I doubt the US would do the same price for us. Demand for these aircraft also seems to be reasonably high. So we're talking NZD 300 mil plus per airframe at least.
I can't see the C-17 as a replacement for the Herc (there are lots of islands in the Pacific at which you can land a Herc, how many will take a C-17? Similarly a smaller aircraft than the Herc might not have the legs to get there with a useful load). As a supplement to a future Herc or as a replacement for the 757s sounds more feasible.
At the above estimated price I suspect we could afford perhaps just two C-17. If one is committed to Antarctic support during the summer, then there may be just one available, and that will need maintenance. How often will we have need of a C-17 sized aircraft? I think we would struggle to fill it (just how many LAVs have we sent overseas on operations in the last 10 years - three?). Unless we buy something that is too big for an A400M (for example a Merlin helicopter), then there isn't a lot of justification for the C-17. For the same money you could buy a useful number of A400M (3 or more). Why no RFI for the A400M or C-2?
As an aside, it looks like the dark-horse in this race, the Kawasaki C-2 has dropped behind again: Flight testing delayed at least 2 more years due to structural problems.
Is this another example of trying to make it look like you're doing something when you're not really doing anything? The initial RFI for the Endeavour replacement comes to mind.
A November 12 US Defense Security Cooperation Agency notification has revealed Australia has formally requested “up to four” more Boeing C-17A Globemaster II airlifters from the US government.
The notification states that up to four C-17s and associated equipment, parts and logistical support have been requested for an estimated US$1.609bn (A$1.85bn).
The extra equipment includes 19 P&W F117-PW-100 engines, four AN/AAQ-24V Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures (LAIRCM) sets, and various other electronic warfare, communications and navigation systems.
It also includes unspecified spare and repair parts, supply and test equipment, training and training equipment, technical documentation, logistics, and technical support services.
I don't think it will be at sale prices as a few operators other than aussie and even others like us who are looking at airlift replacement are going, this will be our last and only chance to get them if we really want them. plus when you look at the price, Boeing doesn't include engines etc