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Post by baronbeeza on Feb 4, 2015 20:33:49 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on Feb 4, 2015 20:45:51 GMT 12
WOW. Those poor buggers. Zooming into the photos it looks like the port prop is feathered. Close call with the buildings, glad to see some people survived.
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Post by efliernz on Feb 5, 2015 8:37:29 GMT 12
Very "lucky"... I suspect some great skill too. Obviously a case of the pilot having to make some quick decisions (after an apparent flame-out) on climb-out over a built-up area. The taxi driver while injured has survived the wingtip impact which is frankly amazing.
I think that we will see in the new today the flight path and lack of choices presented to the flight team...
Pete
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Feb 5, 2015 8:53:54 GMT 12
In one of the dashcam videos it looks like the pilot is trying to stretch the glide (to clear the bridge?) but the port wing appears to stall. And we all know what happens next...
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Post by baronbeeza on Feb 5, 2015 9:10:27 GMT 12
It is difficult to say what they were up to but I think the aircraft had stopped flying well before all this. The relative airflow is all over the place and the aircraft is literally just dropping. Do you think both engines may not be producing power ? It would appear they are headed for the river but have turned in to the 'dead' engine. Amazing footage and it makes you wonder at what point the drivers were aware of the aircraft. The camera car did a quick lane change just in time.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 5, 2015 10:51:18 GMT 12
Speculation speculation speculation!
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Post by baronbeeza on Feb 5, 2015 13:46:46 GMT 12
No, I think the car did change lanes after seeing the aircraft. There was a shot on the midday news actually filmed from the vehicle directly behind that cam car. Quite something that of the handful of cars travelling in that direction we would see footage from three of them. Then again the car may have swerved to avoid the debris that instantly appeared just metres ahead. They are saying they have 15 survivors, what an ordeal but miraculous. That crash looked really ugly.
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Post by Barnsey on Feb 6, 2015 1:58:09 GMT 12
Not speculation: The whole idea of multi engine air transport ops is that they can fly away from obstacles safely after the failure of an engine. Discreet runway analysis is (should be) done to ensure that the aircraft's weight is limited if required to guarantee (as much as possible) that sufficient performance exists to clear affecting obstacles or shortened runways etc. What this does however rely on is a robust airline operations system, and a modicum of pilot training and skill.
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Post by baronbeeza on Feb 6, 2015 23:49:03 GMT 12
Numerous times in my career I can recall having a limited time to make a diagnosis and get the rectification underway. As an aircraft engineer you may have minutes rather than seconds. You know you have been trained and given the knowledge to assess and quickly react, hopefully with some options or even a solution. An airline engineer operating on the ramp can be under horrendous pressure, a few times a week even. As a pilot flying a multi-engine aircraft you have much less time and things are done in seconds, often against a drill. Fortunately the time interval is much greater. I could not count the times I have either flown an aircraft asymmetric or been involved as tech crew during test flights of the same. We do it often and as an engineer, with knowledge of the type and systems, we are very much applying another set of eyes..... it is our butt that could fall from the sky. As a pilot you do the identification/verification drill etc before acting, the engineer in me slows the drill down as rest assured there is some thinking going on also. Some of the pilots can seem very rusty but still rattle through the drill, wham, wham, wham.... In that case my eyes are very much on the instruments and then watching very carefully where hands and feet are going..! There will be many guys here that have flown a multi-engined aircraft about on one engine. They know the drills, the feeling or response, - and more importantly the performance of the machine. Most here will understand the importance of VMCa and the death roll which will result if not careful. I say this in the knowledge that news of the contents of the black boxes is now being released. The excellent video footage and quick access to the FDR etc will allow rapid dissemination of the info to the flying community and public alike. In the coming hours there will be much discussion on how this crew (3 pilots) got themselves into the situation they did. It will make Barnsey's last sentence even more poignant I suspect. Unfortunately for the passengers, and relatives, it is not going to ease the pain and suffering one bit. A sad state of affairs. twitter.com/gerrys
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 7, 2015 10:48:43 GMT 12
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Post by Peter Lewis on Feb 7, 2015 11:05:39 GMT 12
Well, he held NZ citizenship. Born overseas, came here as a child.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 7, 2015 12:19:33 GMT 12
NZ Citizenship officially makes him a New Zealander. He held held dual citizenship.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 2, 2015 16:12:00 GMT 12
TransAsia captain 'pulled wrong throttle' before crashLast updated 14:50, July 2 2015 A still from a video shot by a motorist shows the TransAsia Airways plane cartwheeling over a motorway just before it crashed.The captain of a TransAsia Airways ATR plane that crashed in Taiwan in February, killing 43 people, had switched off the working engine after the other lost power, the Aviation Safety Council (ASC) has confirmed in its latest report. About three minutes after takeoff, the captain who was piloting the plane was heard to say, "Wow, pulled back the wrong side throttle", the latest report of the investigation released on Thursday showed. A source with direct knowledge of the report told Reuters the working engine had been shut off. Data readings showed the almost-new turboprop ATR 72-600 stalled and crashed shortly after it was switched off. The council report, which neither assigns responsibility nor suggests recommendations for improvement, paints a more detailed picture of the evidence than a preliminary report released days after the crash. A draft of the final report will be issued in November with the final report to be completed in April 2016, the council said. The cause of the crash and recommendations for the future will be included in the final report. The plane, which can fly on one engine, was carrying 58 passengers and crew when it lurched nose-up between buildings, clipped an overpass and a taxi with one of its wings and then crashed upside down into a shallow river in Taipei. Fifteen people survived. - Reuters www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/69909370/transasia-captain-pulled-wrong-throttle-before-crash
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 1, 2016 19:25:38 GMT 12
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Post by baronbeeza on Jul 1, 2016 19:38:55 GMT 12
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