ajmcg
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Post by ajmcg on Jul 17, 2023 12:21:58 GMT 12
NZ4804 is about 30 minutes from landfall coming down from Fiji
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ajmcg
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Post by ajmcg on Jul 17, 2023 12:48:26 GMT 12
I’m going to claim Little Barrier Island as landfall. They have some good southwesterly winds to get through
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ajmcg
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Post by ajmcg on Jul 17, 2023 13:34:04 GMT 12
Arrived 1.33pm Ohakea, four for four. We need more
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 17, 2023 16:59:34 GMT 12
Pics
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Post by machina on Jul 17, 2023 20:00:55 GMT 12
Very nice.
This may have been answered already, but have these been flown home by RNZAF crews, or Boeing pilots?
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 17, 2023 20:06:37 GMT 12
Very nice. This may have been answered already, but have these been flown home by RNZAF crews, or Boeing pilots? They are 'delivered' to us in Seattle, and flown here by RNZAF crews.
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Post by machina on Jul 17, 2023 20:16:31 GMT 12
Very nice. This may have been answered already, but have these been flown home by RNZAF crews, or Boeing pilots? They are 'delivered' to us in Seattle, and flown here by RNZAF crews. Thanks Errol.
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Post by kiwirob on Jul 20, 2023 0:37:35 GMT 12
Why on earth would we be operating anywhere near the South China Sea? As for fleet numbers we always make this mistake, only 2 frigates when we should have had 3, the 2 have been flogged, only 5 Seasprites in the first batch when we should have 8, only 8 NH90's which are the highest hour fleet of any NH90 users, maybe we rectify this by buying some of the retiring Australian NH90's. ie; the P3's were regularly deployed to the SCS as part of the UN sanctions on North Korea. Not saying that they are there all the time but we deploy regularly there. When one is on station there leaving three here the drones are suppose to take up the slack of regular boarder patrols... My point these deployments are what the P8's will concentrate on.
But will also do the standard S&R and patrols as well... and they are already doing this...
We all know 4 is not enough there may be a chance more get ordered (I doubt it... but there is an outside chance) as 5 years down the track four air frames means only one fully servicable with a 2nd in light maintenace the other 2 in deep maintenance etc... we all know thisAnd for the record ... Totally agree with the numbers... - Personally I want us to get back to a minimum of a 4 frigate navy with the Patrol Squadron of the OPV's and IPV's and Auxiliary fleet. I also want the Frigates to at least have more than the pengiun Missile maybe its bigger brother like the Naval Strike Missile etc
- As for P-8A's yes I wanted 6 plus the said drones.
- C-130j-30 would have preferred 6 but also wish they got a strategic lifter as well that can carry the NH-90 and LAV and Bushmasters to anywhere in the world... Going forward possibly like a few of Japaness C-2 added to the fleet;
- and to be fair I am undecided on the replacing of the B-757's
We haven't ordered any drones. The 4 P8's will be flogged. The Navy won't get bigger, we can't man the vessels we have today let along 2 additional frigates. We could have gone semi strategic and ordered A400's which can accommodate all the mentioned equipment. I doubt we will ever get any transports larger the the Hercules. We could replace the 757's with A321XLR's, I don't see us getting more adventurous than that, some people like to talk about A330 MRTTs that's pure fantasy IMO.
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Post by nighthawknz on Jul 20, 2023 6:12:18 GMT 12
We haven't ordered any drones. The 4 P8's will be flogged. The Navy won't get bigger, we can't man the vessels we have today let along 2 additional frigates. We could have gone semi strategic and ordered A400's which can accommodate all the mentioned equipment. I doubt we will ever get any transports larger the the Hercules. We could replace the 757's with A321XLR's, I don't see us getting more adventurous than that, some people like to talk about A330 MRTTs that's pure fantasy IMO. I know... the closest they have come to the Drones is the RFI that was released a while back ...to be honest can't remember when if it was this year or last... (I mean covid was only last week and 10 years ago lol) Sad thing is i agree with what you said... something has to drastically change in the mindset of the polly's
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chrisr
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Post by chrisr on Jul 20, 2023 17:28:05 GMT 12
ie; the P3's were regularly deployed to the SCS as part of the UN sanctions on North Korea. Not saying that they are there all the time but we deploy regularly there. When one is on station there leaving three here the drones are suppose to take up the slack of regular boarder patrols... My point these deployments are what the P8's will concentrate on.
But will also do the standard S&R and patrols as well... and they are already doing this...
We all know 4 is not enough there may be a chance more get ordered (I doubt it... but there is an outside chance) as 5 years down the track four air frames means only one fully servicable with a 2nd in light maintenace the other 2 in deep maintenance etc... we all know thisAnd for the record ... Totally agree with the numbers... - Personally I want us to get back to a minimum of a 4 frigate navy with the Patrol Squadron of the OPV's and IPV's and Auxiliary fleet. I also want the Frigates to at least have more than the pengiun Missile maybe its bigger brother like the Naval Strike Missile etc
- As for P-8A's yes I wanted 6 plus the said drones.
- C-130j-30 would have preferred 6 but also wish they got a strategic lifter as well that can carry the NH-90 and LAV and Bushmasters to anywhere in the world... Going forward possibly like a few of Japaness C-2 added to the fleet;
- and to be fair I am undecided on the replacing of the B-757's
We haven't ordered any drones. The 4 P8's will be flogged. The Navy won't get bigger, we can't man the vessels we have today let along 2 additional frigates. We could have gone semi strategic and ordered A400's which can accommodate all the mentioned equipment. I doubt we will ever get any transports larger the the Hercules. We could replace the 757's with A321XLR's, I don't see us getting more adventurous than that, some people like to talk about A330 MRTTs that's pure fantasy IMO. We should not order A400's. Even if half of this article is true, they will rust away in New Zealand's air; aviationsourcenews.com/news/the-airbus-a400m-is-creating-issues-for-the-raf-personnel-are-not-enjoying-it/That aside they would basically be an orphan fleet at the bottom of the world and as we know from Airbus' treatment of Australia's and NZ's NH90's if one broke we would be waiting a long time for spares. If we wanted a larger strategic air-lifter, we should have brought C-17s before they closed the production line. Maintenance could have been completed in Australia and we could have taken duties from the US C-17's which visit Christchurch. But that ship sailed many years ago.
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Post by tfly on Jul 29, 2023 8:06:15 GMT 12
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Post by madmac on Jul 29, 2023 10:27:26 GMT 12
It would be nice if instead of using the NZ$2.436 billion figure, they would split it between infrastructure replacement program and the actual cost of the aircraft.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 29, 2023 19:10:24 GMT 12
It would be nice if instead of using the NZ$2.436 billion figure, they would split it between infrastructure replacement program and the actual cost of the aircraft. Why do you believe the infrastructure cost is not a valid part of the cost of the P8? capability It is paid for with real capital Defence $ that are then not available for other defence projects. Intergrated Logisitics Support which includes infrastructure is key to successful through life management of these aircraft. Or do you what them sitting outside under a Warehouse blue tarp?
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Post by madmac on Jul 30, 2023 13:58:05 GMT 12
Why do you believe the infrastructure cost is not a valid part of the cost of the P8? capability It is paid for with real capital Defence $ that are then not available for other defence projects. Intergrated Logisitics Support which includes infrastructure is key to successful through life management of these aircraft. Or do you what them sitting outside under a Warehouse blue tarp? Because if the Defence force wasn't run with an infra-structure deficient, much of that cost would have already have been paid for. Longer runways, hangars that aren't a health and safety hazard etc, all contribute to operational capacity beyond just the RNZAF's P-8's. The second point being the associated cost is largely fixed regardless of the numbers of airframes operated and significant when compared to the cost of the actual airframes.
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ajmcg
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Post by ajmcg on Aug 4, 2023 17:26:44 GMT 12
Perhaps Andrew Little’s new defence plan will allow an increase in P-8 numbers to allow for combat readiness as well as SAR and Govt mission readiness. Maybe even delivering Harpoon missiles to enable anti surface war mission.
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Post by alanster on Aug 4, 2023 19:28:20 GMT 12
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Aug 5, 2023 12:18:18 GMT 12
And they've only just cottoned on to this? As usual with this mob too little too late. The country is broke but this type of spend simply can't wait so here's hoping the new Govt will get the ball rolling post October. Any I'm sure the wokester bulls#*t ads aren't pulling in the recruits either Back to the topic - great to see the final P-8 has touched down, here's hoping there's enough crews to keep the fleet airborne.
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Post by snafu on Aug 5, 2023 17:27:36 GMT 12
And they've only just cottoned on to this? As usual with this mob too little too late. The country is broke but this type of spend simply can't wait so here's hoping the new Govt will get the ball rolling post October. Any I'm sure the wokester bulls#*t ads aren't pulling in the recruits either Back to the topic - great to see the final P-8 has touched down, here's hoping there's enough crews to keep the fleet airborne. Its show no substance just like the ALP and the DSR
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Post by alanster on Aug 5, 2023 20:45:28 GMT 12
And they've only just cottoned on to this? As usual with this mob too little too late. The country is broke but this type of spend simply can't wait so here's hoping the new Govt will get the ball rolling post October.. Tbf they’ve been moving in this direction ever since the Labour-NZF-Greens govt released a rather beefed up defence capability plan in 2019. That 2019 plan was much more meatier than anything National came up with in 9 years of govt and certainly anything from Helen Clark’s “benign strategic environment” years. Earlier in the year, Peeni Henare stated (a first for any defence minister in 20 years) that the Airforce could have a combat wing once again. Not even Ron Mark said anything like that. Yesterday, once and for all, Andrew Little put the nail in the coffin to the “benign strategic environment” and slammed it shut. It’s a historic shift in rhetoric. The first ever National Security Strategy for NZ announced yesterday even veered into the territory of increased military cooperation with the US and other (ie: AUKUS) allies - something that drew a rebuke from Helen Clark on Twitter.
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Post by Antonio on Aug 6, 2023 9:39:04 GMT 12
But when asked by a reporter that meant the return of the Air Force combat wing, Little slammed that door shut with an emphatic NO.
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