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Post by Peter Lewis on Jan 8, 2017 23:05:05 GMT 12
Thanks David.
Sounds like the same sort of limitations that applied to the Thruxton Jackaroo.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jan 14, 2017 6:58:33 GMT 12
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Post by kevsmith on Jan 14, 2017 17:17:02 GMT 12
Memories of ZK-AXD when the Auckland Flying School operated it in 1964/1965 was that it was a three seater. My logbook makes mention of a dual x-country trip that I conducted from Ardmore to Whakatane and return on 2nd Jan 1965 with a passengers name also mentioned for both legs. Whakatane Airshow was on that day and I demonstrated the Mooney 20E CFV at the airshow.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jan 14, 2017 19:23:35 GMT 12
Could be from Whitney ZK-AXD. The remnants were trailered away from Maramarua at some stage. |
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jan 14, 2017 19:27:46 GMT 12
Memories of ZK-AXD when the Auckland Flying School operated it in 1954/1965 was that it was a three seater. My logbook makes mention of a dual x-country trip that I conducted from Ardmore to Whakatane and return on 2nd Jan 1965 with a passengers name also mentioned for both legs. Whakatane Airshow was on that day and I demonstrated the Mooney 20E CFV at the airshow. That's interesting. Are you sure about those dates? According to my notes, ZK-AXD was with Hawkes Bay & East Coast AC, Hastings, from 1950, went to the Auckland Flying School in September 1963, and was withdrawn from use in 1964 (out of hours). Your 1965 trip would seem to cast doubt on my information. I can confirm a 3-seat modification to ZK-AXD. This was carried out by HB&ECAC in 1959. |
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Post by baz62 on Jan 15, 2017 14:01:14 GMT 12
Showed this to a friend with a Whitney Straight project and he thinks it is post-war Miles. |
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Post by shorty on Jan 15, 2017 14:56:27 GMT 12
The trailer load of bits that was AXD ended up at my place in the married patch at Bulls (from John Chambers), when I got posted I delivered it to John Regan and Ross McPherson at Paraparumu. Judging from the sellers location it's a strong possibility that the pedals are part of that load.
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Post by angelsonefive on Jan 16, 2017 8:17:07 GMT 12
I am the seller of the item on trademe.
It was given to me in about September 1977.
Thanks for the comments.
a15
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Post by jaybee on Jan 16, 2017 8:32:12 GMT 12
Great item!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2023 18:29:35 GMT 12
This may be of interest to the Miles fans, from the New Zealand Herald dated 26 October 1937. Were the Magisters really built for the RNZAF? I know they ended up with the RNZAF after impressment in 1939, but were they purchased to be used by the Aero Clubs to train reserve pilots?
AIRCRAFT INSPECTOR
VISIT TO NEW ZEALAND
[From our own correspondent] LONDON, Oct, 9
A visitor to New Zealand by the Rangitata, which is due at Auckland on November 17, will be Mr. Norman Hodgson, formerly of Palmerston North. He is to travel throughout the Dominion to inspect aeroplanes sent out by Messrs. Phillips and Powis, aircraft contractors to the British Air Ministry, who recently built four Magister Hawks for the New Zealand Air Force.
The Magister Hawk is the latest low-winged monoplane and the first of the type to be used generally "as a trainer. It has been adopted as the standard training machine by the British Government, whose orders, together with those of special reserve training schools in England, total 200.
The machines to be sent to New Zealand are identical with those ordered for use in the British Royal Air Force. The designer is Mr. F. G. Miles, managing director of Phillips and Powis, who has had the assistance of his wife, also a designer and pilot. The Magister is a development from the Hawk which they planned and built about four years ago. Several machines had been sent previously to New Zealand from Reading. Since they were despatched there have been some improvements to the monoplane.
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Post by davidd on Jan 30, 2023 10:26:48 GMT 12
Like most of the Tiger Moths imported into NZ in the late 1930s, these Miles aircraft were purchased in the first instance by the NZ Govt, and issued to Aero Clubs that were being contracted to undertake the elementary training of pilots intending to join the RNZAF (or the Reserve). Cannot recall the exact details (is all detailed in the Annual Reports of the Air Department and RNZAF, as well as the newspapers of the times), but the aircraft were to transfer to Club ownership after a certain period of time (or flying hours), although they were civilian-registered from the time of manufacture. This scheme was based on the similar scheme started in the UK in mid-1930s, which essentially "civilianised" the early training of pilots intended for the RAF, with all advanced training of these pilots taking place at RAF Flying Training Schools under RAF instructors. The same sort of thing also took place in NZ, straight from Moths or Magisters onto Tomtits, Avro 626s, Vildebeests (and Oxfords)! Believe the little Fleet 7 biplane manufactured in Canada and imported by the Marlborough Aero Club (ZK-AGC?) was intended to be used in this role too, but have an idea that some of its specification did not exactly match that required under Air Ministry rules. However, later models of the Fleet 7 (known as the Fleet Finch) were manufactured to match the British requirements and was consequently manufactured in fair numbers for the RCAF, although it was rather outnumbered in the RCAF by Canadian-built Tiger Moths.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 30, 2023 10:29:08 GMT 12
Thanks David, I thought that must have been the case.
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Post by angelsonefive on Jan 30, 2023 14:32:03 GMT 12
I am the seller of the item on trademe. It was given to me in about September 1977. Thanks for the comments. a15 The single Miles rudder pedal unit was given by a gentleman who had a long association with the Wellington Aero Club. I strongly suspect, but cannot be sure, that it came from the Magister ZK-ANJ written off in August 1950 when side-slipped into the ground on 'finals' on an instructional flight at Rongotai Airport. I still have it. Anyone interested just let me know. aviation-safety.net/wikibase/65595 |
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Post by kevsmith on Jan 30, 2023 15:37:04 GMT 12
Re AXD:
From my post of 2017, "Memories of ZK-AXD when the Auckland Flying School operated it in 1964/1965 was that it was a three seater. My logbook makes mention of a dual x-country trip that I conducted from Ardmore to Whakatane and return on 2nd Jan 1965 with a passengers name also mentioned for both legs. Whakatane Airshow was on that day and I demonstrated the Mooney 20E CFV at the airshow"
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And Peter's question:-
That's interesting. Are you sure about those dates?
According to my notes, ZK-AXD was with Hawkes Bay & East Coast AC, Hastings, from 1950, went to the Auckland Flying School in September 1963, and was withdrawn from use in 1964 (out of hours).
Your 1965 trip would seem to cast doubt on my information.
I can confirm a 3-seat modification to ZK-AXD. This was carried out by HB&ECAC in 1959.
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Peter I can confirm those dates posted in 2017 (note I have changed 1954 to 1964) and I have in my logbook AXD was also flown on the 3rd of Jan 1965, 6th, 17th and 19th of Feb 1965, so it was still airworthy with the Auckland Flying School up to at least the 19th of Feb 1965.
Kevin
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Post by planewriting on Jan 30, 2023 15:54:09 GMT 12
From my typed NZ register of details I have WFU Ardmore 1965 I will look at AHSNZ Register Reviews to see if I can verify the 1965 date. Off the CAA registration cards and elsewhere and cancelled 27 Nov 1980.
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Post by madmax on Jan 30, 2023 18:51:26 GMT 12
Somewhere iny collection I have a photograph of Miles ZK-ANJ Rongotai demise. The instructor was Frank Wright however I'm unable to recall the pupils name. Many year after the accident Frank told me it was the result of side slipping with flaps applied.
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Post by merv on Jan 31, 2023 10:25:14 GMT 12
Whitney Straight ZK-AUK - said to be at Forest Field, Canterbury with Greg Macdonald Yep correct. Whilst owned by Des Nolan, I took an interest in ZK-AUM during 1964 when I tried to buy it from him. It had a low time, 155hp Blackburn Cirrus Major 111 However it eventually was brought out of storage from the Southern Scenic hangar in Queenstown from where it lay for many years and flown to Timaru where it was stripped and burnt behind the hangars. It may have been the remains that were taken to the gravel pit. |
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Post by davidd on Jan 31, 2023 11:10:59 GMT 12
Re above letter, AUM was NOT flown to Timaru and burned, it was definitely flown to Balcairn by the chap Lamb I mentioned in earlier post, but by the time I saw it there, it was not in any shape to be flown. What happened to it after that I have no idea.
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Post by merv on Jan 31, 2023 12:26:41 GMT 12
Yes I accept I have been wrong all these years as it turns out it was ZK-AWE that was burnt. Thanks for correcting me.
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Post by planewriting on Jan 31, 2023 13:43:38 GMT 12
From my typed NZ register of details I have WFU Ardmore 1965 I will look at AHSNZ Register Reviews to see if I can verify the 1965 date. Off the CAA registration cards and elsewhere and cancelled 27 Nov 1980. AHSNZ Register Review 16 (RR16), June 1981 records the cancelled date as 27 November 1980 WFU registered to Piako Aero Club, Te Aroha but another note in RR16 says "made its last flight in 1964 details, anyone?" From Kev Smith's above post "I have in my logbook AXD was also flown on the 3rd of Jan 1965, 6th, 17th and 19th of Feb 1965, so it was still airworthy with the Auckland Flying School up to at least the 19th of Feb 1965", we know the RR16 entry is incorrect. The latter years of that aircraft's registration records are murky. Whereas Kev had flown AXD as an Auckland Flying School aircraft, it does seem that ownership was never officially (CAA) transferred from the Piako Aero Club and when it was eventually cancelled (1980), another 15 years had gone by. |
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