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Post by mumbles on Jul 22, 2016 11:09:01 GMT 12
The best part of this article from military.com is actually the comments made by Americans at the bottom. You get a better idea of what the average Joe thinks about this issue and NZ in general. The article repeats a myth though: "New Zealand's default position has long been to ban them from its waters."The USN was never specifically banned. They just refused to continue port visits and other obligations under the new legislation, after first testing them by proposing the USS Buchanan visit in 1985 (a conventionally propelled warship that was unlikely to have nuclear weapons embarked on that cruise). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 11:21:12 GMT 12
So, will they do the same when Australian warships visit - as they already do?  (Good grief!) Or when they see the RNZN's own weapon-bearing vessels? That's a weird comment, maybe she meant to say "foreign warships"? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 22, 2016 11:30:11 GMT 12
The absolute irony is these protesters seem to never realise that they would most definitely not have the right to protest government decisions had it not been for the military might of the US Navy and our other Allies.
Military services are primarily in place to protect the peace and freedom that allows the little people like them to have a voice. Why can they not realise that.
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 22, 2016 12:59:10 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 23, 2016 12:29:26 GMT 12
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Post by pepe on Sept 30, 2016 9:45:39 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 30, 2016 10:13:50 GMT 12
By the way it was mentioned by F/Lt Phil Brock at the recent Te Atatu Forum Meet that the Naval Fleet Review on the 19th of November will also see a massed flypast of military aircraft. I reckon that'll make a great photo opportunity. I think he said 18 RNZAF aircraft are taking part from memory and also some from overseas.
Stu sent through this info tome that was circulated for local pilots:
"As part of the Naval Fleet Review being conducted in Auckland Harbour on the afternoon of Saturday 19th of November, the RNZAF is coordinating a flypast of local and foreign military aircraft. To facilitate this, they are requesting temporary restricted airspace be established and as part of the process, they have asked that details be circulated to the Auckland Airspace Users Group distribution lists for consideration and feedback so disruption is minimised on the day.
Date:
Saturday 19 November 2016
Time:
1400 – 1500 Local Time
Boundary:
A line joining Point Chevalier, Lake Pupuke, The Noises, Western tip of Waiheke Island, Musick Point, and Point Chevalier (refer attached chart)
Vertical Limits:
SFC – 2500ft
Activity:
Flypast by up to 25 local and foreign military aircraft (both single aircraft and formations) along a display line from Browns Island to the Harbour Bridge.
Aircraft to depart Whenuapai and form up over the Hauraki Gulf before joining the display line at 2-minute intervals.
Display height is 500ft
Administering Authority:
RNZAF
If you foresee any adverse effects on your operations in the above proposal, can you please let me know so we can work with the RNZAF ahead of time to address them. I am advised that procedures are already under development to enable emergency services operations to/from the hospitals and Mechanics Bay if necessary.
Regards,"
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Post by ErrolC on Sept 30, 2016 10:59:46 GMT 12
Most of the negative comments appear to be under the misapprehension that we have changed our law or policy (in contradiction to what the article says), rather than the USN accepting that there is no harm in sending a non-nuclear ship that does not (per declared US Government policy) carry nuclear weapons. |
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Post by tfly on Oct 1, 2016 3:01:59 GMT 12
Is there any list of which navies have been invited and who has accepted/declined?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 2, 2016 16:43:38 GMT 12
I have not seen one yet, tfly.
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Post by pepe on Oct 8, 2016 12:18:35 GMT 12
Is there any list of which navies have been invited and who has accepted/declined? The latest "Navy Today" quotes "10 - 12 ships will arrive in New Zealand for joint exercises" and the International Naval Review. www.navy.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/navy-today/NT204.pdfThere are still no specific details on which nations are attending due to possible last minute changes to operational requirements and/or availability. I vaguely remember seeing a list of those invited somewhere, but I can't seem to find it now. My guesses: Australia (x 2) including hopefully HMAS Canberra) USA France Singapore China Malaysia Pacific Islands (2) ? x 2 (India, Indonesia, Japan,....) |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 8, 2016 20:13:52 GMT 12
Royal Navy?
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Post by pepe on Oct 9, 2016 7:42:57 GMT 12
I don't think they have any ships in this part of the world at the moment (according to their nifty deployments map on their website). The closest (and it's not that close) is their Antarctic support vessel, HMS Protector, which visited NZ earlier in the year. It could, perhaps, make a visit again but it is the beginning of penguin counting season. How about a Royal Marine Band instead?....... |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2016 9:55:49 GMT 12
It would surely be disappointing if the actual service that gave birth to the RNZN didn't bother showing up when everyone else is making an effort.
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 9, 2016 10:09:01 GMT 12
Everyone else is significantly closer, and we are much closer to places they regularly operate in.
And if you thought NZ Defence cuts were bad, the Brits' have been much worse.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Oct 9, 2016 20:26:32 GMT 12
Everyone else is significantly closer, and we are much closer to places they regularly operate in. And if you thought NZ Defence cuts were bad, the Brits' have been much worse. Considering the population difference between the UK and NZ it is possible to make such a argument. Essentially the cutbacks have a reduced the RN in size more akin to the RAN than it's old Cold War self. Notable the RAN doesn't have any flat tops in service and in the near future the RN will be short on amphibious ships. In short if something unexpected happens the RN will want to borrow HMAS Canberra and the RAN would want HMS Queen Elizabeth after she enters service.  |
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Post by htbrst on Oct 12, 2016 9:32:33 GMT 12
As spotted on another forum; The Canadians appear to be bringing a Halifax-class frigate:
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 16, 2016 12:16:58 GMT 12
From the Fly DC3 FB post about them being in the flypast at 1400 on 19th Nov: Aircraft will include: • Catalina • Seasprite(s) • Overseas Military helicopter • 3 SQN (mixed A109 / NH90) • Dakota • Harvards • Kingair(s) • Texan(s) • Hercules • Orion • B757 • and US aircraft. |
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 18, 2016 15:03:42 GMT 12
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Post by conman on Oct 18, 2016 16:23:52 GMT 12
Really disappointing regarding the lack of a vessel from the RN, however it is interesting that the Japanese are sending a P1 maritime aircraft
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(Good grief!)
