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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 18, 2018 16:20:09 GMT 12
OMG there are at least two Cambridge airmen's flying logbooks in the list on Archway! Brian McNamara and Guy Harvie. Thanks for the tip David!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 5, 2019 20:07:15 GMT 12
I just want to bump this to say I am still always on the lookout for copies of WWII RNZAF logbooks please, especially anyone who flew P-40's, Corsairs, Hudsons or Venturas, but any RNZAF aircrew logbooks are very welcome.
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Post by richmond on Feb 12, 2021 19:28:22 GMT 12
Does anyone know where I could get a copy of Ian Richmonds logbook or images/information he had? I have asked some people on this site and would prefer original logbook even if I have to buy it otherwise would be happy with copies...I am his great grandson Phil Richmond..if anyone could help please email ritchybuilders@hotmail.com
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 12, 2021 20:09:33 GMT 12
What did he fly, and when, Phil? Was he in WWII?
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Post by camtech on Feb 12, 2021 20:25:49 GMT 12
Dave, meant to ask - I assume you have been through the logbooks held by the Air Force Museum. I can give you a list of those I saw way back in the early days of the museum if you haven't done so.
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Post by McFly on Feb 12, 2021 20:38:53 GMT 12
What did he fly, and when, Phil? Was he in WWII? From Colin Hanson’s By Such Deeds – Honours and awards in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, 1923 – 1999 : RICHMOND, Squadron Leader Ian Gordon, DFC, mid. NZ2469; Born Nelson, 23 Sep 1915; NZ Army/TF (Nelson, Marlborough, West Coast Regt) 28 Jul 1933 to 1 Jun 1936; RAF 10 May 1937 to 30 Jun 1945, 39898; RNZAF 1 Jul 1945 to 19 Feb 1946; PoW 30 Jun 1942 to c.May 1945; Pilot. Citation Distinguished Flying Cross (24 Jul 1941): [218 Sqn RAF (Battle/Blenheim/Wellington)] This officer has served with his squadron since 1938 and for the past year has commanded a flight with conspicuous keenness and leadership. On the night of the 7th May, 1941, he dived through heavy and accurate flak to obtain a direct hit on the GNEISENAU at Brest. He has, at all times, provided an example of efficiency, courage and devotion to duty. Citation Mention in Despatches (11 Jun 1942): For distinguished service. Served as OC 1501 BAT Flight RAF (Oxford) mid-1941-May 1942. Joined 15 Sqn RAF (Stirling) on 30 May, but shot down during a raid on Bremen on 29/30 Jun 1942 and became a PoW. Died Nelson, 8 Jun 1982. The Air Force Museum of New Zealand hold a collection of his papers. Personnel Records, New Zealand Defence Force, also have a file about him, a free copy of which can be made available to you upon request. see here for more info: www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/Ian Richmond was a cousin of L. H. Trent, VC. Errol |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 28, 2022 19:43:35 GMT 12
Wow, look what I just came across in The Press newspaper dated 17 January 1972  Was this article and the classified ads you placed very successful, David?  |
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Post by davidd on Aug 24, 2022 14:14:24 GMT 12
Yes, did moderately well out of that small article, was also noticeable that many such books came from either daughters or nieces, although I was lucky to look at several directly handed over by the aircrew member concerned (and returned to same with heartfelt thanks!) The owners of several books had been killed during WW2 (including V C Pockson, on Hudsons and then Venturas over the Mediterranean, and also a Wellington pilot who operated over Europe early in the war). Think I rounded up about 12 - 15 books all told, and also acquired loan of books by other means, including people I just happened to know at the time, including a carpet layer by the name of Morrie Thomas. Morrie just happened to have served as an air gunner on Hawker Hinds with the AC squadrons in 1942/43, then converted to power turrets at Gisborne August 1943 on Hudsons, and finally to 1 Squadron at Whenuapai with whom he completed at least two tours (on Venturas of course).
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 24, 2022 15:10:23 GMT 12
Great stuff.
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Post by stoney on Nov 22, 2022 13:31:09 GMT 12
Is the general consensus that Kiwi's log books are best gifted to the RNZAF Museum?
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Post by Antonio on Nov 22, 2022 15:34:39 GMT 12
Is the general consensus that Kiwi's log books are best gifted to the RNZAF Museum? That's a Yes from me. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 22, 2022 20:25:39 GMT 12
Yes, The Air Force Museum of New Zealand at Wigram is the best repository for logbooks in my opinion.
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Post by baz62 on Nov 24, 2022 17:01:07 GMT 12
Is the general consensus that Kiwi's log books are best gifted to the RNZAF Museum? Yes from me too. |
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Post by planewriting on Nov 24, 2022 20:54:25 GMT 12
Yes, did moderately well out of that small article, was also noticeable that many such books came from either daughters or nieces, although I was lucky to look at several directly handed over by the aircrew member concerned (and returned to same with heartfelt thanks!). I find this interesting. Of my children and grandchildren, the one who has shown the most interest in my father's wartime logbooks it is my step-grand daughter and she never met my Dad. Yet, she, then aged 10, specifically asked if she could have a look through his (three) logbooks and spent an entire evening reading them. I was most intrigued by that. My son and daughter are aware of Dad and his achievements and occasionally ask questions but the 10 year old's interests was quite unexpected. |
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Post by camtech on Nov 25, 2022 15:16:19 GMT 12
Peter, cultivate that interest and let her know where the ultimate destination should be. If you haven't already, look at photographing the books as a research tool.
I wish digital photography had been in vogue when I had access to Air Force Museum files, way back in the 1980's.
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Post by corsair5517 on Sept 25, 2023 22:46:24 GMT 12
Yes, The Air Force Museum of New Zealand at Wigram is the best repository for logbooks in my opinion. Only if the family, either immediate or extended, show no interest in it! I hate the idea that these documents disappear forever onto a dusty shelf somewhere, there to languish forever… |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 25, 2023 22:52:56 GMT 12
Yes, agreed, if the family show no interest. However Wigram is the best place for logbooks. They're cared for in the best possible way; they are able to be accessed by historians, as I have done on numerous occasions to advance my research; and they will make you a digital copy too. That way every member of the family can have a copy each and the original will be safe and preserved for future generations. Also I have been in their archives, and there is no dust.
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Post by corsair5517 on Sept 27, 2023 17:17:48 GMT 12
I was being a little facetious, Dave - I’ve been in there, too, albeit a very long time ago and yeah; no dust!!
The AF digitising the logbooks and giving a copy back to the family must be a new(ish) thing, eh?? They certainly didn’t offer to do that for Dad; I had it professionally scanned and digitised in 1988…
I suppose even the most humble logbook is an historic document and yes; a museum dedicated to flight is the most suitable repository, but I cannot imagine ever not wanting these logbooks in my possession because of the personal stories therein: I am fortunate that the succeeding generations feel the same way.
I dread to think how many logbooks have been either deliberately, or inadvertently, destroyed simply because the owner of that book thought no-one would be interested in them!! Don’t laugh… I know personally how that goes; I caught Dad one day happily binning his tunics and other stuff for just this reason!! Obviously, I put a stop to that nonsense!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 27, 2023 20:07:21 GMT 12
I met a Battle of Britain pilot who threw all his logbooks in the rubbish on his 50th birthday when BOAC was forcing him to retire due to age. When he told me that I nearly cried.
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Post by Mustang51 on Sept 27, 2023 21:15:12 GMT 12
Dave, Have heard the same thing from Aussie Mustang pilots who flew with No.3 Sqn in Italy......heartbreaking
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Was this article and the classified ads you placed very successful, David?
