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Post by rone on Apr 20, 2019 10:09:06 GMT 12
Interesting article on Stuff this morning regards the flight to Germany and the resultant history making that followed the tking over the controls by Lawrence Mabey, tail gunner.
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Post by rodm on Apr 20, 2019 11:13:57 GMT 12
Yes, the article is here: www.stuff.co.nz/national/112062102/kiwi-flies-bomber-solo-to-strike-at-berlin-during-world-war-ii-mission-gone-awryNow for a dose of reality based on evidence from archival sources: "Over Holland, Mabey's Wellington came under attack. Despite taking a circuitous route to Keil Canal, the Wellington was badly damaged by German fighters and the fuselage set on fire. Commanding Officer Flight Lieutenant Paul Vaillant set the bomber on course for Berlin, an alternative target, and gave the order to bail out". FACT-CHECK: According to Luftwaffe High Command documents, German night fighters never made contact with enemy aircraft on this night (27-28 August 1940) "By then he'd shot down four German fighters – verified in an early BBC documentary – but was trapped by a bullet that had jammed the mechanism in his seat, preventing his release". FACT-CHECK: shot down four German fighters? No he didn't. As mentioned, German night fighters failed to make contact with any British bombers and the only German aircraft lost that night was a Ju88 (possibly during bombing raids over the UK). "When it didn't crash, a Messerschmitt 109 was sent to finish it off. However, Mabey saw the German fighter manoeuvring to attack and took immediate action despite damage to the hydraulics that powered the gun turret. With the exchange of fire filmed by a German spotter plane, he shot the fighter down then, kicking repeatedly at the seat, finally freed himself". FACT-CHECK: Sorry, WTF? ...exchange of fire filmed by a German spotter plane? Er, it was in the middle of the night...darkness and all. "As observed by an American journalist, William Shirer, the Wellington, now on fire from anti-aircraft shells, flew north over Berlin. The same journalist reported in The New York Times that bombs were released at 1.24am on August 28 and an area of three blocks cordoned off". FACT-CHECK: Nah, no bombs fell on Berlin on this night (27-28 August 1940). I have verified this against the extremely detailed daily Lagebereicht compiled by the Oberbefehlshaber der Luftwaffe Führungsstab Ic. Also, the article misquotes William Shirer's "Berlin War Diary". Shirer's diary entries for 26 and 29 August mention bombing at Berlin. There are no diary entries for 27 or 28 August. According to German documents, Mabey's Wellington (P9272) was shot down by Flak and crashed one kilometre north-west of Freschluneberg, near Wesermünde (130 kilometres from Kiel, the target and 330 kilometres from Berlin). Anyway, here are transcripts made directly from copies of the relevant German Lagebereicht: Der Oberbefehlshaber der Luftwaffe Führungsstab Ic. LAGEBERICHT Nr. 357 (abgeschossen am 28. 8., 1000 Uhr) 5.) Zwischen 2240 und 0130 Uhr wurden 35 Feindeinflüge in 2 getrennten Gruppen nach Nord- bzw. Süddeutschland bis zur Linie Ribe - Tressleborg - Güstrow - Hamburg - Emden, bzw. Harlem - Dortmund - Suhl - Saarbrücken - Maastrict, festgestellt. An 12 Stellen wurden Bomben abgeworfen, besanders in Kiel und Ludwigshafen/Mannheim. In Kiel wurden mehrere Häuser schwer beschädigt und ein Haus zerstört (1 Verletzter). Um Ludwigshafen/Mannheim wurde geringer Häuserschaden angerichtet. Nachtjäger hatten keine Feindberührung. Durch Flak wurde 1 Vickers-Wellington bei Wesermunde abgeschossen. Vorläufige Zusammenstellung der Bombenabwürfe in der Zeit vom 27.8.40 bis 28.8.40 0800 Uhr. Luftgau XII/XIII 28.8.40 0044 Mainz. 0100 Brühl b. Mannheim. 0300 Ochtendung zw. Mainz und Konlenz. o.U. Bürstadt b. Worms. o.U. Wiesblingen Edingen b. Heidelberg. o.U. sdl. Ludwigshafen. Luftgau West-Frankreich 27.8.40 2240 5 km o. Cherbourg. 2240 St. Pierre Eglise. 28.8.40 0002 Paulillac b. Bordeaux. Luftgau VI 28.8.40 0119 Menden Luftgau Belgien- Nord-Frankreich 28.8.40 0125 ostw. Amiens. Luftgau VII 28.8.40 o.U. Tauberfeld 6 km n. Eichstätt. o.U. Pietenfeld Ldkrs. Eichstätt Luftgau Holland 27.8.40 2200 Vlissingen. 2236 Insel Walcheren. Luftgau XI 28.8.40 o.U. Kiel 28.8.40 o.U. Rödby Laaland. Nachtrag Ludtgau West-Frankreich. 28.8.40 0147 Jonzac. LAGEBERICHT Nr. 358 contains the final report on bombing and damage for the night of 27-28 August 1940 and once again, Berlin is not listed. It would be interesting to know where the other Wellington crew members baled out and were captured. This would give an rough indication of how far Lawrence Mabey flew the Wellington solo. I don't have a record of the time Wellington P9272 crashed but it would be possible to look at the German reports of bombs dropped between where the rest of the crew baled out and the crash location of the Wellington. In any event, the main hook of the story on Stuff - Mabey bombing Berlin and linking it with Hitler's decision to start bombing London during the Battle of Britain is demonstrably false. If the journalist who wrote the article took the time to seek expert advice, they could have worked this out. Cheers Rod |
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 20, 2019 12:18:02 GMT 12
Oh dear, I looked at the article. I knew there was a very good reason why I no longer watch TV news or read newspapers. The journalist has to be more interested in the revenue rather than the facts. Someone wrote a book and included a few details of that night.  |
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Post by rodm on Apr 20, 2019 12:56:44 GMT 12
Hi Baronbeeza,
thanks for the book reference. The details I had from German documents was that the Wellington was shot down by flak on 28 August (so after midnight on 27-28 August).
The first major Bomber Command raid against Berlin occurred on the night of 25-26 August 1940. Other very minor attacks occurred on 28-29 and 30-31 August.
I also did a quick check of the 149 Squadron Operations Record Book:
19-20 August 1940
Attack on industrial targets at Misburg by two aircraft, attack on Marshalling Yards at Hamm by two aircraft, attack on locks of the Dortmund Ems Canal by three aircraft.
23-24 August 1940
Attack on Marshalling Yards at Mannheim by four aircraft.
25-26 August 1940
Attack on aerodrome at Berlin by eight aircraft and attack on Marshalling Yards at Hamm by three aircraft.
27-28 August 1940
Attack on Kiel by six aircraft (one missing).
30-31 August 1940
Attack on Berlin by ten aircraft.
Vailland/Mabey flew only one sortie during these missions - the one when they were shot down on 27-28 August.
Until the book reference I was prepared to believe that Mabey flew the Wellington for a while, in the absence of contrary evidence. However, it now looks like the majority of the news story is BS...
Cheers
Rod
PS - the book mentions the attack on Kiel. The Oberbefehlshaber der Luftwaffe Führungsstab Ic Lagebereicht states that 16 high-explosive bombs and roughly 25 incendiary bombs landed in Kiel between 23.45 - 01.10 hrs. "Several" of these bombs hit the German Naval shipyard causing a minor fire that was doused immediately. No bombs hit the warships.
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Post by angelsonefive on Apr 20, 2019 14:17:31 GMT 12
From the 149 Sqdn ORB in the National Archives:
27/8/40 to 28/8/40 Attack on Kiel.
6 aircraft detailed to attack the Battleship Gneisenau and Docks at Kiel.
5 aircraft returned to Base but F/Lt. Vaillant and crew failed to return.
P/O Peterson varried (sic) out a search lasting 3-1/2 hours - 75xxxxxx (illegible, but looks like "sq.miles").
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 20, 2019 15:41:55 GMT 12
From 75 Sqn records
Aug 27 1940.
Operations.
Nil.
Training.
Nothing of importance occurred to-day.
Aug. 28
Operations.
Nil
Training.
P/O Denton and crew carried out a Cross Country flight of 2hrs 50 minutes duration, and single engine approaches and duals practiced.
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 20, 2019 16:58:39 GMT 12
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 20, 2019 20:10:31 GMT 12
27/28-8-1940 - Frenschluneberg near Freren N of Rheine (Germany) - P9272 *** EDIT *** Edited map to better reflect known locations as corrected by Rod's posts. The crash site location was misleading previously.  1 Original target area, port at Kiel 2 Alternate target on return Wilhelmshaven. Flak damaged near Elbe River 3 Crash site of P9272 Berlin, may not even be on the map. Well it is but that story just falls apart. Crippled aircraft, rest of crew bale, then flying away from home, finding and bombing Berlin.... alone, then somehow crash-landing back at Kiel. It appears the crash site was back on the homeward side nearer Wilhelmshaven, which coincidentally is where the book version would probably have it. Flak over the Elbe damaging fuel tanks would probably having you setting course for home PDS. The Stuff article seems so implausible you have to wonder how it made it to print. *** EDIT *** This report suggests the crew stepped out near Bremerhaven. I think that crash site location came from a German historian though so may be more correct. AIR 81/2850 Flight Lieutenant P F R Vaillant, Flight Lieutenant M G Butt, Warrant Officer J Fender, Warrant Officer D H G Connolly, Warrant Officer R W Saywood, Warrant Officer L F Mabey: prisoners of war; shot down, baled out near Bremerhaven, Germany, Wellington P9272, 149 Squadron, 28 August 1940. |
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Post by rodm on Apr 20, 2019 21:38:17 GMT 12
Hi baronbeeza,
"Frenschluneberg near Freren N of Rheine (Germany)" … this is presumably a post-war error in interpreting the geographical location by some researcher/historian/writer or other. The village of Freren and the town of Rheine are red herrings.
The correct location as written in various ORIGINAL wartime German records is:
1. "bei Wesermünde"
2. "1 km N.O. Freschluneberg"
3. "Freschluneberg bei Wesermünde"
Thus, the rough geographical coordinates of "1 kilometre north-east of Freschluneberg" are: 53 26 08.5 N, 08 44 52.1 E. On your map, this is a little south-east of Bremerhaven.
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Post by rodm on Apr 20, 2019 22:16:09 GMT 12
This is an appeal to Michael Mabey, since he has used this board. The Stuff article mentions you are going to the UK in May to research your father more. As this thread points out, most of the Stuff article is simply not true. There are various archival sources around the world that can help you get to the truth of your late father's experiences. I will list some: 1. NZDF Personnel Archives, Trentham The hold your father's RNZAF personnel file. Although the file is likely culled somewhat, it hopefully contains a copy of his RAF Form 373 Record Sheet for Officers and Airmen Aircrew and/or Form 1580 Airmen's/Airwomen's Record Sheet. This may confirm when he was posted to 149 Squadron. 2. RAF/MoD in the UK They made hold a personnel file for your father, usually just the RAF Form 373 Record Sheet for Officers and Airmen Aircrew (I've found some other RNZAF personnel had cards held by MoD). See the following for more information: www.gov.uk/guidance/request-records-of-deceased-service-personnel3. The National Archives, Kew, London AIR 27/1000 - 149 Squadron Operations Record Book AIR 81/2850 - Air Ministry P4 Casualty file for the loss of Wellington P9272 and crew WO 344 series - War Office: Directorate of Military Intelligence: Liberated Prisoner of War Interrogation Questionnaires (this might contain the questionnaires for the crew of P9272) 4. The National Archives & Records Administration, Washington DC RG 242.9.4. National Archives Collection of Foreign Records Seized. Luftgaukommando Reports pertaining to downed Allied aircraft 1939-45. They hold two photoprints from a German microfilm made by Luftgaukommando XI - frames 101863 and 102099 - two pages of Luftwaffe LGK XI crash reports relating to P9272. Note - these documents were not transferred back to Germany (so are not held by the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv) and the original microfilms captured by the British have not be made public in the UK. 5. Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv - Freiberg im Breisgau The German state archive holds surviving WWII German Air Force records from Luftgaukommando XI - the Luftwaffe administrative region where P9272 crashed. RL 19/462 - Luftgaukommando XI Abschußkarteiblätter. Band 1: Dez. 1939 - Nov. 1940 (index cards of German Flak claims for aircraft shot down, December 1939 to November 1940) RL 19/450 - Luftgaukommando XI Abschußlisten von Feindmaschinen, 1939 - 1942 (this is a listing of crashed enemy aircraft in LGK XI territory, 1939 to 1942) 1939 - 1942 6. The Imperial War Museum, the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv, and various other archives hold copies of the surviving Oberbefehlshaber der Luftwaffe Führungsstab Ic Lagebereicht for 1939 to 1941 (the daily air situation reports). Regards Rod Mackenzie |
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 20, 2019 22:21:36 GMT 12
Thanks Rodm. So the picture may be getting a little clearer do you think. They get hit, bale out and the aircraft crashes all in the same general area.
To make it even more uncomfortable for the antics featured in the Stuff article I am guessing all that happened within minutes. We saw mention of the crew all exiting about 2 am.
It is a real shame that we have such a lengthy article published so close to ANZAC Day.
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Post by rodm on Apr 20, 2019 22:46:44 GMT 12
Hi baronbeeza,
yes, it's slowly becoming clearer. The 1939-1944 period isn't my own area of research so I only have copies of some relevant documentation.
I am still undecided on the possibility that Mabey took control of the aircraft after the other crew baled out. If this did happen, it should be mentioned in either the Liberation Questionnaires or the P4 Cas file. If it did happen, then it seems likely Mabey would at least have been recommended for a gong if such facts were established during the debriefs of the returning PoWs in 1945.
The real issue I have with the Stuff article is that it's here to stay in the age of the internet. Simple consultation of such archaic things as printed reference books and original archival documents would have nipped the article in the bud. Alas, unless Stuff prints a retraction, this thread will remain the only rebuttal on the article. I am actually sad that so many members of the public accept the article at face value - judging from the comments section on Stuff ('make a movie or documentary on the story? Ha).
What's worse is that over time keyboard warriors will likely to copy and paste the demonstrably false information in the article all around the internet and down the track people start to accept it as fact because they consume their information solely from the internet. On this point, I'm not kidding. I know of one memorial for a bomber crew set up by family members in the wrong location because researchers didn't do their homework and the incorrect location is plastered all over the internet...
Cheers
Rod
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Post by rodm on Apr 21, 2019 9:35:26 GMT 12
I admit that the Stuff article has got me a little worked up because the writer appears to have done no fact-checking at all. This also applies to verifying the vague written, oral, and film sources cited in the article as evidence.
"It's not an exaggeration to say that Lawrence Mabey, from Palmerston North, was one of a select group of airmen who helped to win World War II. In Hollywood they'd probably say their single action in bombing Berlin and other targets in August 1940 was the turning point in the Allied victory nearly five years later. What they did caused the German leader, Adolf Hitler, to change his tactics. He was outraged Germany was bombed. He instructed his Luftwaffe to turn its attention on British cities. The result was The Blitz. The RAF, on its knees, was given a reprieve, enabling it to rebuild in the regions while Germany targeted London".
FACT-CHECK: Lou Mabey apparently flew his first mission (at least with 149 Squadron) on the night he was shot down. He did not participate in the Bomber Command attack on Berlin the night before and he did not bomb Berlin on the night he was shot down. Thus, the whole hook of the story is erroneous.
"But let's go back. Mabey was a good air gunner, who'd already distinguished himself by shooting down German aircraft. He'd trained at Ōhakea and, by 1940, was a tail gunner in bombers supporting the British Expeditionary Force in France and defending British shipping at sea".
FACT-CHECK: This still needs verified. Did he serve on any other Squadrons before joining 149 Squadron and did he fly any operational missions. I would submit that if he shot down German aircraft (plural) as suggested, the specifics of such actions should be verifiable in RAF records.
"By then he'd shot down four German fighters – verified in an early BBC documentary – but was trapped by a bullet that had jammed the mechanism in his seat, preventing his release".
FACT-CHECK: as already stated, his Wellington was shot down by Flak according to German records and the testimony of F/L Vaillant. "...verified in an early BBC documentary" - what documentary, what was it about? Does it specifically relate to Lou Mabey?
"That sounds impossible, but Mabey had learned some basics with different crews in England and, on one occasion, helped to fly a bomber back to base when the pilot was seriously injured".
FACT-CHECK: this should be verifiable and if true, what aircraft and who was the pilot.
"Fortunately for him, a Kiel fire crew was nearby. They not only extinguished the flames caused by the crash, but rescued the injured sole occupant. In true thorough Germanic style, they also filmed the incident. The cameraman zeroed in on his RNZAF badge, which the family now possesses." "But around Anzac Day 15 years ago, he watched historic war footage with his son, Michael. They viewed a Wellington crashing on to the roadway near the canal and a familiar figure being dragged from the wreckage. 'Dad, that's you,' said Michael. 'I recognise the badge.'"
FACT-CHECK: what is this film footage, where was it filmed and what does it show? Why is the figure in the footage only recognisable by an "RNZAF badge" and not by their features or appearance? Was the crashed aircraft in the footage intact? The German reports on the crash of P9272 likely mention the percentage of damage to the aircraft. If these reports give a figure above 15-20% and the film footage shows an intact aircraft then the two are not the same. Th German documents are also critical in verifying other parts the story. They would likely mention if the aircraft crashed-landed (as claimed by in the Stuff article) or exploded in impact. Any percentage of damage recorded would indicate how intact the aircraft was after it hit the ground - i.e. did Mabey bale out like everyone else and the aircraft explode on impact or did he crash-land as claimed, keeping the aircraft intact. If the footage was filmed in Kiel then it is not Mabey's aircraft.
"Michael Mabey is aware a 1940s movie, based on eyewitness accounts, was made by Ealing Studios about the No 3 group. His father is mentioned, but the bomber's final outcome was never disclosed. A BBC documentary in the 1970s comprises similar material. It includes descriptions from Flight Lieutenant Vaillant and other crew members, but none of them knew Lawrence Mabey had survived or what happened to the bomber".
FACT-CHECK: what is the name of the 1940s movie and what is the name of the 1970s documentary? It's hard to judge the context of the statements in the article without knowing the source material.
"Further information comes from an American version of The Guinness Book Of Records, where Lawrence Mabey is referred to as "one of the greatest air gunners of the war".
FACT-CHECK: does anyone have a handle on the actual source of this claim? I'm intrigued why an American publication would make such a claim when RAF records certainly don't!
"How good was he? In a book written about the raid, it recalls 75 Squadron, part of No 3 group, turned back because of the firepower and presence of German aircraft, but Vaillant kept flying because he had faith in his tail gunner to keep them safe".
FACT-CHECK: as stated in a post above, 75 Squadron flew no sorties on the night Mabey was shot down.
Cheers
Rod
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 21, 2019 10:33:35 GMT 12
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Post by rodm on Apr 21, 2019 13:59:06 GMT 12
ha, more grist for the mill. Stuff should really write a full retraction on the story since it's so full or errors. In looking at the link provided in an earlier post, I see Errol stated that Lou Mabey sailed from NZ to the UK on the Akaroa, arriving on 9 May 1940 (3.5 months before he was shot down). Errol stated separately Lou Mabey was shot down on his first operational flight. rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/24230/sitExtract from an appendix in my For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Three: Biographies & Appendices) : 23 Mar 40 Akaroa Lyttelton-London via PC, arr 9 May. . . . RNZAF for att to RAF: 30 AGs – died: Blatch, A F; Bracegirdle, J; Brennan, J S; Browne, T C M; Campbell, A; Fuller, J E; Johnson, G B; Lucas, E R; McChesney, R I; McLaren, P V; Ritchie, A H; Robinson, I N; Russell, L P; Vivian, P A; Young, R B M; (15) – survived: Burns, W R; Craig, G R; Crook, V W J; Emeny, C S*; Fenton, W G; Mabey, L F*; MacMillan, J A M*; Marshall, J; Marusich, C A F; Murland, W J; Pyne, C C; Scott, W J; Street, K I; Sumpter, R L; Walker, J I B*; (15). . . . * = PoW Errol NZ391864 Wt Off (final rank) Lawrence Francis Mabey Born Palmerston North 24 Feb 22 RNZAF 18 Dec 39 to 6 Jan 46 (was 17yrs 10mths on enlistment; Air Gunner) Was shot down on his first op (was only 18yrs 6mths, the youngest RNZAF PoW). Re-enlisted RNZAF 10 Apr 47 - 12 Jun 47 (as NZ47058) & 10 Nov 48 - 1 Dec 50 (NZ48645, later 72707) |
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 23, 2019 9:36:19 GMT 12
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Post by baronbeeza on Apr 23, 2019 11:37:09 GMT 12
It looks like pretty open countryside so the crew presumably landed within a few Km of where the wreckage ended up. This shows the approx area going from the descriptions. There was no mention of dropping the bombs but the crew may have done that when they were aware of the fuel leak or the fires.  upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Lunestedt_Luftbild.jpg |
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Post by rodm on Apr 23, 2019 12:44:06 GMT 12
The closest bombs reported by the German authorities landed roughly 50 kilometres WNW of where P9272 crashed. The Wellington crashed in the territory administered by Luftgaukommando XI (Air Regional Command XI of the German Luftwaffe) and I present below a transcript from the Luftwaffe report, "Final Compilation of Bombing. Annex to Situation Map 3 Number 254 (Attacks) ending at 08:00 hours on 28th August 1940", itself forming Appendix 2a to Supreme Commander of the Luftwaffe Operational Staff Ia Situation Report Number 358.
The reports of bombing and machine-gun attacks are organised by region (i.e. Luftgaukommando). Luftgaukommando XI and Luftgau Holland are the two relevant to P9272 (Luftgaukommando III encompassing Berlin reported no bombs or machine-gun attacks in their territory). The individual reports show the time ("Uhrzeit"), location ("Ort"), number of bombs ("Anzahl der Bomben"), and the effect of the attack ("Wirkung"). The reports include bombs dropped on open ground ("Abwurf in freies Gelande"), while the times when some bombs landed were not known and/or reported ("O.u." or "Ohne uhrzeit"). The German report presents ordinal points in lower case - "n." = North ("nord"), "nw." = North-West ("nordwest"), and "no." = "North-East ("nordost").
Luftgau XI
Uhrzeit: 27.8.40 2345- 28.8.40 0110
Ort: Kiel
Anzahl der Bomben: 16 Sprb. etwa 25 Brb.
Wirkung: Einsschläge von 5 Sprb. in der Düppelstrasse und von 3 Sprb. in der Moltkestrasse. 4 Häuser stark, mehrere leicht beschädigt; 1 Wasserrohrbruch. 3 Sprb.-Einschläge in der Grossen Ziegelstrasse. Starker Gebäudeschaden. Je 1 Einschlag in Prinzenstrasse und Gebhardstrasse. Geringer Gebäud und Sachschaden. 2 Sprb.-Einschläge in Klosterstrasse, dabei 1 Blg. oder LZ.-Zünder. 1 Kegelbahn eingestürzt, ausserdem Glasschäden. 1 Sprb.-Abwurf in Kottenprobieranstalt der Kriegsmarine, 1 weiterer auf die Zufahrtstrasse zur Werft der Deutschen Werke A.G. Kein schaden. Abwurf mehrerer Brb. auf die Kriegsmarinewerft. Entstandener Brand ohne besondere Schadenswirkung sofort gelöscht. Etwa 20 Brb.-Einschläge am Ellerbecker Markt. 8 Häuser in Brand geworfen. Nur geringe Schäden, da Brände sofort gelöshct wurden. 2 Verletzte in der Moltkestrasse.
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Rödby auf Laaland [Rødby on Lolland Island in Denmark, 54 41 37.32 N, 11 23 22.47 E]
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Abwurf in Nähe des Fliegerhorst. Kein schaden.
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Sengwarden (n. Wilhelmshaven) [53 35 33.43 N, 08 02 53 E]
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Abwurf in freies Gelande. Kein schaden.
o.U.
Eggelingen (n. Wittmund) [53 36 23.41 N, 07 50 04.53 E]
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Abwurf in freies Gelande. Kein schaden.
o.U.
Kitzeberg (no. Kiel) [54 21 40.67 N, 10 11 14.53 E]
6 Brd.
Nur Glasschäden.
o.U.
Muggesfelde (n. Bad Segeberg) [54 01 38.89 N, 10 20 19.75 E]
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Einschlag im Freien.
o.U.
Esens (nw. Jever) [53 38 42.1 N, 07 36 53.11 E]
3 (1 Blg)
Abwurf in freies Gelande. Geringer Flurschaden.
Luftgau Holland
27.8.40
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Vlissingen [51 27 13.2 N, 03 34 15.29 E]
MG-Feuer [machine-gun fire]
Beschuss einer Scheinwerferstellung durch MG.Feuer. Kein schaden.
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Insel Walcheren [very roughly 51 31 25.46 N, 03 34 33.02 E]
MG-Feuer
Tiefangriff mit MG-Feuer auf S.-Schleuse. Kein schaden.
Many other bombs fell in western Germany, well south of the crash location of P9272. Some bombs also fell in Belgium and France.
The original Luftgaukommando XI reports on the crash P9272 (I don't have copies of them) may well indicate if bombs were found in the wreckage.
Cheers
Rod
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Post by baronbeeza on May 10, 2019 13:49:18 GMT 12
Stuff are working on a correction to the article.
From what I have just seen in the website I am not sure they are interested in the facts.
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Post by rodm on May 10, 2019 17:51:05 GMT 12
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