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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 12, 2019 11:39:34 GMT 12
Machina , looking at the application Neil Housing is Fletcher owned and we know how good they are at doing their sums , and smooching up to Wellington types.
Its also just a symptom of a wider community problem in that the majority say no longer counts . Its all about minorities.
At my daughters school of 400 , yoghurt has been banned because one child is dairy ïntolerant ", so 399 children cant have milk products , ie milk , cheese , butter , and youghurt in their lunches . My response to the school was said to be intolerant and unhelpful.So from a very early age our children are learning that its great to object and get your own way and stuff everyone else.
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Post by htbrst on Jul 12, 2019 12:57:27 GMT 12
At my daughters school of 400 , yoghurt has been banned because one child is dairy ïntolerant ", so 399 children cant have milk products , ie milk , cheese , butter , and youghurt in their lunches . My response to the school was said to be intolerant and unhelpful.So from a very early age our children are learning that its great to object and get your own way and stuff everyone else. Or, the kids are rightly learning to acknowledge and care for minorities who cannot change how they were born even if others in the community can be unhelpful and intolerant  Our neighbour's kid can go into anaphylaxis if dairy-products touches their skin and this is much more likely to be the reason it has been cut even if they can't tell you as much for privacy reasons - You can't trust the school bullies not to "accidentally" try it out for fun. You'll find the same situation at schools/kindys etc where a kid has a nut allergy - no peanut butter etc. |
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Post by phil on Jul 12, 2019 19:38:40 GMT 12
At my daughters school of 400 , yoghurt has been banned because one child is dairy ïntolerant ", so 399 children cant have milk products , ie milk , cheese , butter , and youghurt in their lunches . My response to the school was said to be intolerant and unhelpful.So from a very early age our children are learning that its great to object and get your own way and stuff everyone else. Or, the kids are rightly learning to acknowledge and care for minorities who cannot change how they were born even if others in the community can be unhelpful and intolerant Our neighbour's kid can go into anaphylaxis if dairy-products touches their skin and this is much more likely to be the reason it has been cut even if they can't tell you as much for privacy reasons - You can't trust the school bullies not to "accidentally" try it out for fun. You'll find the same situation at schools/kindys etc where a kid has a nut allergy - no peanut butter etc. Or little miss allergy can learn not to eat the foods that affect them. Fortunately this nonsense is usually limited to kindergartens, because at that age the children are too young to know better so there isn't really any other choice. |
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Post by oj on Jul 12, 2019 19:56:14 GMT 12
This allergies thing is a societal-learned behaviour, fostered by us molly-codling kids and not exposing them to enough dirt and natural foods, resulting in inadequate antibodies in their systems.
I have thought very hard about my school days and honestly cannot say I ever heard of any kid with an allergy at any age.
There was a minor incidence of asthma, but that's about it.
We are stymied at every turn today by the nanny-state PC brigade and weak parents.
If you continue to insulate the bulk of the children from these now school-banned foods because of a few unfortunate kids, you will ultimately just ramp up the future incidence of allergic children.
I applaud those parents who challenge the modern rule-makers.
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Post by htbrst on Jul 13, 2019 5:17:21 GMT 12
She's also allergic to legumes, nuts and egg too and quite capable already. She is also quite capable of showing you how to use the EpiPen she carries as she might need you to use it.
Our school didn't need to put in restrictions because she was a clever kid, but not all primary school age are as capable in the early stages. It's only yoghurt, the poor kid probably can't even eat bread with dairy in it let alone things like birthday cakes bought in to share.
Not if it's genetic. And it's not the bulk of children, it's only in schools where a kid is present that might actually die until the school and kids figure things out.
Feel free to whinge about NIMBY's and PC brigades - I'm just calling you out that effects of allergies in the community are real, and minimising them as above just leads to idiots thinking "A little bit won't hurt" when it doesn't always work like that. Luckily my kids were only ever intolerant to dairy but far out was it a pain in my ass if someone spiked them in some form until they grew out of it.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 13, 2019 9:15:45 GMT 12
I think you have misinterpreted OJ's point, Will, and I think his point is valid.
But regardless, this thread is about the clear and present danger faced by Whenuapai by Nimbies, and worse, the current government. Can we get back to the topic?
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Post by machina on Jul 13, 2019 11:04:58 GMT 12
Even though our Air Force is small I find it strange we only have two air bases, and neither are in the South Island. Logically this should make the government more protective of the two that do exist but I guess it's a further indication of how little the military is actually cared about that this situation is allowed to appear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 11:26:31 GMT 12
So much history tied up with the base, and several tragedies too. I remember my father telling me when he was converting from Hudsons to the Venturas as pilot with the reformed 8 Squadron, he was returning from a nav ex on 26 Nov 1944 and setting up for a landing. He noticed black smoke rising about 4 miles north-east of the base and was advised to hold off his landing approach. The smoke turned out to be from a crashed Ventura which had been undertaking circuit training as part of the 8 Squadron conversion course and the crew included a mate he had known for many years. All the crew perished which included F/Sgt Edward Brightwell, F/Sgt James Pederson, F/Sgt Archibald Alexander, Sgt Harold Mauger, and Sgt Russell Robbie. Was there ever a memorial established on base to recognise this tragedy?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 13, 2019 12:01:08 GMT 12
Even though our Air Force is small I find it strange we only have two air bases, and neither are in the South Island. Logically this should make the government more protective of the two that do exist but I guess it's a further indication of how little the military is actually cared about that this situation is allowed to appear. Woodbourne is still an RNZAF Base, isn't it? |
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Post by mumbles on Jul 13, 2019 15:07:13 GMT 12
I think you have misinterpreted OJ's point, Will, and I think his point is valid. It isn't, it's rose tinted survivorship bias. |
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Post by machina on Jul 13, 2019 17:38:54 GMT 12
Even though our Air Force is small I find it strange we only have two air bases, and neither are in the South Island. Logically this should make the government more protective of the two that do exist but I guess it's a further indication of how little the military is actually cared about that this situation is allowed to appear. Woodbourne is still an RNZAF Base, isn't it? My mistake! |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 13, 2019 20:58:07 GMT 12
Even in September 1944 the Herald believed an airfield needed about five mile safey zone. From Papers Past  |
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Post by gibbo on Jul 14, 2019 0:22:53 GMT 12
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Post by joey05 on Jul 18, 2019 7:23:16 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 18, 2019 9:06:10 GMT 12
Great article there!
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Post by rone on Jul 18, 2019 16:58:57 GMT 12
None of this should surprise anyone. Fletchers, even when owned by the Fletcher family, have had the NZ Government in their back pocket since 1939 when James Fletcher was made Building Commissioner for the duration of WW2. They are also embroiled with Maori's at Mangere where they are wanting to destroy history also to build houses alongside what will be the second runway. There are many, many examples where Fletchers get what Fletchers want. Never lose sight of the fact that the Labour people are anti military anyway.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jul 18, 2019 19:51:33 GMT 12
Not just Labour...
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Post by madmark on Jul 20, 2019 13:45:25 GMT 12
I know this won't be popular on here, but in a lot of ways it would make sense to get rid of Whenuapai IF (and its a big if) it was replaced by a new purpose built base elsewhere in the country.
Whenuapai's land is worth many many millions of dollars which would at least offset the purchase of land and the construction of a new base. The infrastructure at Whenuapai is creaking and needs replacing anyway and the runway is now too short to handle our new P-8s with no prospect of being lengthened. Think of the huge positives that building a new air base would have for somewhere like Whangarei/Napier (or any other regional town/city) it would bring a lot of skilled well paid people into the local economy, give employment to locals supporting the base and give the RNZAF a purpose built base rather than a facility designed to handle WW2 era aircraft.
Just a thought...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 20, 2019 16:43:57 GMT 12
I doubt that the land would offset anything as the government would undoubtedly give it away like they have with so many other defence bases...
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Post by gibbo on Jul 20, 2019 20:03:45 GMT 12
I doubt that the land would offset anything as the government would undoubtedly give it away like they have with so many other defence bases... Precisely - any money made from the sale wouldn't go specifically to defence, and the cost of a new base would likely be in the low billions which sale of a bare-bones Whenuapai would never realise. The value of the land for housing is only realised once the housing is on it is built & sold to home owners, so it is the developers who take the risk & make the real money, not the seller of the land. The bare bones of an airbase has relatively little value in part because it needs a degree of remediation (think foam residues found recently) & demolition of buildings & runways to clear the land, plus huge spend on new infrastructure to support the subdivision (roading, drainage, utilities etc) - all money the developer has to front-up with so I'd say no offsets to be had really. The same would go for Navy quitting Devonport. And then there's the other elephant in the room... first consideration is likely to be treaty claims. Ohakea & Woodbourne are the only realistic options IMHO. |
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