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Post by Dave Homewood on May 17, 2020 21:51:41 GMT 12
We got a great update today on the collection during the Virtual WONZ Forum Meet
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Post by ZacYates on May 18, 2020 15:25:21 GMT 12
Thank you to Mike and John - I was looking forward to this all week and was not disappointed. I didn’t ask any questions because Mike answered them all! As you can imagine I’m particularly excited about the plans for NZ3043 but it was great to get updates on everything at Mapua.
Thank you again for an illuminating, informative and exciting talk, Mike. I hope I can get back to Omaka one day to see the team’s work underway.
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Post by madmax on May 18, 2020 19:26:50 GMT 12
Does anyone know what is likely to become of John's Tiger Moth ZK-BQB. Is it earmarked for sale/restoration?
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Post by l29 on May 18, 2020 19:49:49 GMT 12
Does anyone know what is likely to become of John's Tiger Moth ZK-BQB. Is it earmarked for sale/restoration? i guess you didnt listen to the post above....... It is to be retained by the family. No doubt a bit of a tidy up but its in pretty good condition.
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Post by John L on May 18, 2020 23:22:38 GMT 12
A Baffin fuselage! How good is that.The parts collection sounds as impressive as the airframe collection. Sounds like lots of tradeable parts to enable rebuilds of the others. Keep up the good work chaps and yet more kudos to JS for gathering up all this stuff when he could.
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Post by ZacYates on May 19, 2020 12:50:09 GMT 12
A question for Mike and/or John which didn’t come to me until a few hours after we all signed off: is there a formal way we should be describing these aircraft, such as the John Smith Collection (as we have been doing)? Or has the Smith family set up a Trust or other caretaker arrangement?
I like to keep and update lists (for personal use only) about which RNZAF aircraft of certain types have gone where, owners etc, and was wondering whether there was any “owner” name that should be used when documenting this next stage of the aircraft’s life.
I know it’s a pedantic, very “spotter” thing to ask but I have been thinking about it these past few days.
Thank you again Mike for the information you passed on. Fascinating and exciting stuff!
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Post by madmax on May 20, 2020 12:11:12 GMT 12
Hi 129, No, I had not listened to the above prior to posting my question. I thinks however after 30+ years in storage BQB will require more than a "tidy up" to make it presentable
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Post by l29 on May 20, 2020 12:39:56 GMT 12
Hi 129, No, I had not listened to the above prior to posting my question. I thinks however after 30+ years in storage BQB will require more than a "tidy up" to make it presentable Considering I saw it a few weeks back, I'm still happy to say a tidy up rather than a restoration is all it needs for a nice static I would love to purchase it if it became available. I'll see if I can post a pic, the wings have been boxed all this time.
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Post by madmax on May 20, 2020 18:47:37 GMT 12
Pleasing to read BQB has been kept in such good condition
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Post by curtiss on May 21, 2020 8:21:07 GMT 12
Hi 129, No, I had not listened to the above prior to posting my question. I thinks however after 30+ years in storage BQB will require more than a "tidy up" to make it presentable Considering I saw it a few weeks back, I'm still happy to say a tidy up rather than a restoration is all it needs for a nice static I would love to purchase it if it became available. I'll see if I can post a pic, the wings have been boxed all this time. Confirm that BQB is in great cocndition for display - minor repairs and assembly is all that is required.
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flymac
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Post by flymac on Jun 2, 2020 17:41:50 GMT 12
Many thanks to this discussion thread and the Smith family for preserving these special aircraft. Have read all 13 pages and watched the web discussion. Then had to look at my father's logbook.
He flew two of the aircraft mentioned during training.. Harvard II NZ909 At Woodbourne No S.F.T.S. Flown on 30th June and 1st July 1944. Total time 3.15 Kittyhawk P40 N NZ 3220. At Ohakea No 2 (F) O.T.U.. Flown once 21st Feb 1945. 40 minutes Cinegun R.L.T.& D.
Flight Sgt J.E. MacLeod 19 Squadron
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bobs
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Post by bobs on Jun 3, 2020 18:55:08 GMT 12
I think most of the P-40's were at Ohakea by September 1944. 4 OTU perhaps ? NZ3220 was based at Ohakea from August 1944 at the latest but it was with No. 2 OTU. The red marking on the tail as seen in Mike's photos is a specifically No. 4 OTU making but so far in my research I have seen no trace of NZ3220 serving with that unit - but it seems it must have done. This is why my collecting of pilot's logbooks has been crucial to piecing together the histories of these aeroplanes, because there are no records existing from the OTU's to check. Anyone who has a logbook with RNZAF P-40's in, please get in touch as I'd love to get a digital copy, to keep building up the jigsaw that s the P-40's histories.
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bobs
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Post by bobs on Jun 3, 2020 18:57:49 GMT 12
These roundels are as I have always tried to say to modellers, they started a colour very close to the RAF roundel blue, and they faded only slightly to that less bold, slightly oxidised blue. I think Malcolm Laird of Ventura decals got the colour pretty much spot on. So many other decal manufacturers and others have got it wrong.
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bobs
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Post by bobs on Jun 3, 2020 19:00:35 GMT 12
In regards to P40 NZ3220 my Dad flew that aircraft 4 times between December 1944 and January 1945 with 2 OTU at Ohakea
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 3, 2020 19:16:04 GMT 12
Bob, can you please email me the details? To dave_daasnz@hotmail.com
I have been compiling the history of NZ3220 for the team, it would be great to add your father's flights to the history.
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bobs
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Post by bobs on Jun 4, 2020 18:23:51 GMT 12
Will do
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Post by ZacYates on Jun 6, 2020 8:46:11 GMT 12
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Post by harvard1041 on Jul 1, 2020 19:32:45 GMT 12
Quick update on the Smith Collection; progress continues on cataloging everything and helping the family move on some of the collection. As noted above, the Harvard stash has headed to NZ Warbirds - with the exciting prospect of at least one aircraft - NZ1068 - returning to flight. The Tigermoth has moved across to Omaka and will be 'restored' to a good static state for inclusion in the AHC. The Mosquito is moving towards a similar AHC display - but the details not yet finalized. NZ3220 - the 'Gloria Lyons' P-40N is progressing steadily here at Omaka, also bound for the AHC. One area which a Wings Over NZ Member, or members, might be interested in is the Vampire & Goblin collection. The family want to see it all go as one 'job lot' and not interested in anyone 'cherry picking' the best of it - leaving the rest to be disposed off... so if someone has a thing for DH Vampires - please get in touch. The best of the collection are two complete Goblin engines with lots of spares, four - maybe five - forward fuselage pods, some tail booms and one set of wings...and then boxes and boxes of misc parts. Would suit the 'enthusiast' is the phrase which springs to mind - as the packing and transport of these parts is a big job in itself. An offer around the NZ$ 20k would seem reasonable. Cheers Hvd1041
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 1, 2020 19:52:24 GMT 12
Excellent progress there John. It's so good to see a lot of the collection will be on public display soon.
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Post by dazz on Jul 2, 2020 1:34:36 GMT 12
I agree Dave, AHC would seem to be the ideal place for these treasures to be preserved. Good result all around !
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