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Post by shorty on Jul 27, 2020 16:44:04 GMT 12
What about swapping the P-51 for the one in the museum? that way the AF museum get an aircraft a NZ provenance (OK it'll need some restoration) and somebody scores a P-51 with unchopped wings, the difference in value could help the collection or be paid to the Smith family?
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Post by vultee43 on Jul 27, 2020 20:11:05 GMT 12
Sounds like a very sensible idea, as long as the RNZAFM P51 stays in N.Z.
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Post by patmurphy on Jul 29, 2020 22:03:29 GMT 12
For my two penneth, there's no right or wrong way for these aircraft to be shown, as long as the family are happy with the outcome. Let's not forget, they could have just shut the doors and left them there. My own personal choice would be the conservation of Gloria Lyons as is, with the minimal of intervention. As for the Mossie, open minded really. I can see the attraction of a shed diorama, especially given the fantastic efforts Omaka have made in that field already. Shiny and new looking might be good too....choices choices. A second Mossie? Well that's a real game changar, as you now have a further identity to restore from Couldn't go to a better place than Avspecs either, been nothing but impressed by the work they have done on Mossies amongst other types. For me the only solution has to be a rich Kiwi to take on the costs and get it back in the air.....can anyone name such an individual, with say an interest in militaria and aircraft....might be quite keen on the odd Hobbit or two maybe? Seriously, it has to stay with you guys. Now about getting one back where one belongs, in the skies in the UK........
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Post by denysjones on Jul 30, 2020 20:08:54 GMT 12
Taking things back to the photo of TE881 on page 15 here... It looks to me that on the vehicle there is another portion of fuselage with a diameter that might match the forward end of the segment in the foreground so the two make up a whole fuselage(virtually). Dare I venture to suggest that perhaps the phantom a/c from rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/20166/mystery-mosquito-fuselage?page=2was acquired by John subsequent to the photo I've just linked and chopped for transport, as the segments in the transport photo appear to match it in terms of scheme details (roundel style, demarcation line along fuselage etc etc). Just been racking the grey zones about all of this especially trying to recall the photo I remember of there being a fuselage on the ground alongside John's a/c in between the fuselage and the port nacelle. So if the rear item in the transport photo was the foreward portions of TE881 then it would well fit in said position....just thinking!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 30, 2020 22:55:19 GMT 12
It could well be the very same fuselage Denys. And perhaps that colour photo was actually taken at John Smith's place?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 30, 2020 22:57:59 GMT 12
Is that John Smith standing in/on the fuselage?
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Post by shorty on Jul 31, 2020 8:57:58 GMT 12
Looking at the photo on page 15 what is that with the letter "B" on it in front of the vehicle?
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Post by ZacYates on Jul 31, 2020 9:11:16 GMT 12
Looking at the photo on page 15 what is that with the letter "B" on it in front of the vehicle? NZ2336 wears the ID letter B so maybe it’s her...?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 31, 2020 11:13:45 GMT 12
Yes it's the other Mossie.
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Post by Venomnut on Jul 31, 2020 18:20:04 GMT 12
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Post by shorty on Jul 31, 2020 19:41:44 GMT 12
No, those are the ones that Ken Jacobs got and they are shown in their storage at Renwick. It is where the Tauranga one came from
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Post by l29 on Jul 31, 2020 20:02:51 GMT 12
I believe johns vampire hulks came from chch. They were well rotted before he got hold of them. Theres no comparison to the above photo!
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Post by Venomnut on Jul 31, 2020 20:34:38 GMT 12
No, those are the ones that Ken Jacobs got and they are shown in their storage at Renwick. It is where the Tauranga one came from I emailed Ken the image when it first came up and he said it didn't register with him!
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Post by shorty on Jul 31, 2020 21:24:55 GMT 12
Not suprised, try asking Don.
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Post by camtech on Aug 4, 2020 20:19:33 GMT 12
I note that Mustang NZ2423 is to be restored by Brendon Deere and his team at Ohakea.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 4, 2020 20:28:32 GMT 12
Yep, the best possible outcome in my opinion. Restored to flying on the base that it served, and with one of the nicest collections around. Brilliant. Well done Brendon.
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Post by ZacYates on Aug 4, 2020 20:30:04 GMT 12
I note that Mustang NZ2423 is to be restored by Brendon Deere and his team at Ohakea. Utterly fantastic news!!! That's made my night!
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 4, 2020 21:01:30 GMT 12
Yep, they'll do a quality job too. Their Spitfire is a testament to their workmanship. With all that original equipment still fitted, she will be a very original NZ configured -25 with all the right radio gear and everything. A wonderful opportunity for them to have this time capsule. And a huge amount of spares! And huge thanks to the late John Smith!
This is the best possible outcome for this airframe, well done Brendon and team
Cheers Anthony
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Post by saratoga on Aug 4, 2020 21:09:39 GMT 12
Hopefully they document the history and restoration in a book, just like the 'Spitfire,return to flight',...you know, in their spare time...
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Post by colford on Aug 4, 2020 21:58:18 GMT 12
The Mustang has probably gone to the best team and location to fulfil Mr Smith's wishes. Having seen the Spitfire up close, I am sure the Mustang will be finished to the same high standards and become a stalwart and much loved part of the NZ warbirds scene for many years to come. Well done that man!
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