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Post by kiwiruna on Jan 26, 2020 11:45:05 GMT 12
From Stuff today.
Helen Clark and Phil Goff have a lot to answer for.
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Post by pops2 on Jan 26, 2020 13:19:16 GMT 12
What are the Australians going to do with their over 200 G.D ASLAVs that are being replaced with the 211 Artec Boxer (combat recon vehicles) ? The semi-logical pathway for the NZDF might be to upgrade 30 of the LAV3s to LAV 6 spec (Canada's upgrade cost was nz$3.3 million per LAV 3 vehicle on 141 vehicle run) (while the NZDF have the full complement of 105 LAV 3s, to allow 30 to be shipped to Canada for upgrading). That should buy some time to see which of the Artec Boxer (acquisition per unit cost of nz$13.7 million for Australia/ Aus buit boxers) or LAV 700 etc is the better long term light armour replacement for the remaining non upgraded NZDF LAVs. The story? fed to the public at the time of the LAV purchase was NZ had to pull its regional defense weight more and the Aussies wanted NZ to have plenty of LAVs, to give them hand should they require it. ADF strategy www.defence.gov.au/casg/Multimedia/LAND400_CloseCombatStoryboard-9-5562.pdf |
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Post by exkiwiforces on Jan 26, 2020 14:56:33 GMT 12
Ah, the Dobson and Jerry show is still biting the NZDF & the long suffering NZ taxpayer in the ass. The gift that keeps on giving, the Infantry Officer Coup of 2000 in the NZDF under the Labour Alliance Coalition. Which has done so much damage to NZDF apart from the cuts in 90’s by National Government.
I point my fingers at this lot as well Auntie Helen, M Burton, Jim A, the Greens aka Keith Locke. Old Phil had to clean up the mess left by M Burton and thats when Phil realised that he been feed some BS along the way when he was the Minister for Foreign Affairs at the time when all this was happening.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Jan 26, 2020 22:22:42 GMT 12
In light of the threat posed to troops in lightly or unarmored vehicles posed by IED's, why would any interest exist in buying the NZ Army's LAVs?
The Australian build Bushmaster and Hawkei vehicles are more likely to attract international buyers. Both the Bushmaster and Hawkei are in service or entering service with the Australian Army.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jan 27, 2020 16:57:11 GMT 12
A typical Stuff article. A few facts and lots of supposition. One of the unnamed sources stated 'I know that valley quite well, the guns only went up to 30 degrees. That valley had cliffs of 2000 feet (609 metres)'. I'm not sure if the height of the cliffs is correct but the gun elevation is several ball parks from the real figure.
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Post by davidd on Jan 27, 2020 17:54:55 GMT 12
I was intrigued by the "Armoured officer" in this article - THIS may be the way to the future - ditch the vehicle and transfer the surplus armour to the human.
David D
Edit: I fear that the incorrect word in original post that I was exploiting for humorous effect has been edited out, so this post now irrelevant!
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Post by The Red Baron on Jan 27, 2020 19:36:40 GMT 12
Why don't we sell them to that small Pacific Island that buys all the over priced,not fit for purpose crap military tanks,helicopters and ships?.
Oh yeah....we are that small Pacific Island.
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Post by novascotiaboy on May 21, 2020 9:30:26 GMT 12
I realize that Covid 19 will likely take a bite out of defence spending but the recent announcement by Patria and the US Army concerning trials of the NEMO mortar show the benefit of this system.
Could not some of these LAVs be retrofitted with the NEMO mortar turret to provide direct and indirect fire support that can keep up with the main body of the armoured Infantry for NZ forces? Would this be a practical replacement for the 105 mm Hamels as they are getting long in the tooth.
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Post by nighthawknz on May 21, 2020 17:13:04 GMT 12
I realize that Covid 19 will likely take a bite out of defence spending from memory... according to this years budget there was a bit of a boost for this years defence spending not cuts... (as far as I understand and read... but I could be wrong) |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Apr 21, 2022 18:18:47 GMT 12
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Post by saratoga on Apr 21, 2022 18:36:06 GMT 12
Not sure that's going to be a good look, as Chile is fast becoming a extreme socialist version of its former junta ways.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Apr 21, 2022 22:57:04 GMT 12
Not sure that's going to be a good look, as Chile is fast becoming a extreme socialist version of its former junta ways.
I suspect that the NZDF is happy to have found a buyer for the LAVs that never suited the New Zealand Army. Hopefully, the reminder of the vehicles are replaced and not upgraded in due time.
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Post by tfly on Apr 23, 2022 6:56:52 GMT 12
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Post by tbf2504 on Apr 23, 2022 9:32:55 GMT 12
shows what a con job the Army did on the Labour govt way back when they argued that the Skyhawks were useless, but they needed more armoured vechicles!
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Post by tfly on Apr 23, 2022 21:35:23 GMT 12
I’ll bet my money on the Skyhawks going strong long after the LAV’s are turned into Waratah Fence Posts
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Post by machina on Dec 15, 2022 19:47:44 GMT 12
Has there been any indication about a replacement for the LAVs? I must be needing the next fix now the P-8s have started arriving  |
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Post by nighthawknz on Dec 16, 2022 4:26:37 GMT 12
Has there been any indication about a replacement for the LAVs? I must be needing the next fix now the P-8s have started arriving the DCP 2019 (which is/was the last indication of anything) the LAV weren't going to be looked at until around 2024 ish and into service 2033 |
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Post by machina on Dec 16, 2022 6:17:58 GMT 12
Thanks Nighthawk, I must’ve gone looking in the wrong documents.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Dec 16, 2022 14:18:43 GMT 12
Give some to RNZAF Air Security to guard the new P8 and C-130 Js
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Post by machina on Dec 16, 2022 17:04:39 GMT 12
And/or dedicated recruitment vehicles touring schools nationwide, as I’ve mentioned before.
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