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Post by rone on May 19, 2020 19:18:03 GMT 12
I have two RNZAF Hat Badge. I also have, each with a different shape of Crown. I also have a RAF hat badge with a slightly different shape again. Can one of you knowledgeable folk explain the differences to me please. The RNZAF badges are from my own days, one is anyway. In all the years I have owned these badges I have never spotted the difference until now. Funny that. I only noticed it as I am going through my hoard prior to handing it on. I have recently learned stage 4 cancer means a big cleanout. Any help re the Crown shapes greatly appreciated. Ron  |
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Post by camtech on May 19, 2020 19:53:05 GMT 12
Thoughts are with you in this testing time.
Could you post pictures of the crowns concerned?
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 19, 2020 20:05:32 GMT 12
Oh gosh, that's sad news Ron.  |
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Post by rone on May 19, 2020 20:24:30 GMT 12
Thank you for your thoughts Dave and Camtech. Dave, I will try and photo them tomorrow and email them to you to post on here. Please accept they have not seen any 'shinio' in a long time.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 19, 2020 21:08:34 GMT 12
Yes no worries, I can post them here.
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Post by shorty on May 19, 2020 21:44:20 GMT 12
The shape of the crown varies depending on the monarch. the earlier (wartime ones)from King Georges time have a rounded top whereas the later ones have a more arch shaped top
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Post by aircraftclocks on May 19, 2020 23:43:03 GMT 12
I used to wear a gold plated brass Kings crown on my FS cap.
A piece of art compared to the flat plastic Queens crown versions at the time.
No one ever noticed.
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Post by shorty on May 20, 2020 7:54:37 GMT 12
I once wore a RFC hat badge on parade and no one noticed!
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Post by tbf25o4 on May 20, 2020 9:35:15 GMT 12
The two crowns as Shorty indicated represent a male or female monarch. For a male monarch the crown is arched with the cross at the peak of the arch. For a female crown, the centre of the arch is
slightly curved in, with the cross at the centre of the arch. When Prince Charles ascends to be the King, and if we are still a commonwealth country, I guess the hat badges will have to change again
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Post by baz62 on May 20, 2020 10:10:59 GMT 12
I once wore a RFC hat badge on parade and no one noticed! Didnt realise you were that old Shorty! 😀 |
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Post by rone on May 20, 2020 10:23:27 GMT 12
Morning all. I have sent Dave H a picture to post. Appears tbf2504 and shorty are on to it. But the RAF badge is totally different to the crown shape of the RNZAF badge. Both must be of George V1 era though. and my personal badge is obviously of the current Queen. Thanks all for the help.
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Post by davidd on May 20, 2020 10:28:19 GMT 12
I think you will find that every new Monarch has a unique crown, so perhaps should not even be called "King" or "Queen" crowns, check out Victoria's crown for instance, with opposed lobes! In fact I believe that these crowns are very heavy, and uncomfortable, so are only worn when custom absolutely insists that the right to do so must be observed. I seem to recall also that the same Monarch often seems to have different crowns for different occasions - can anybody else expand on this? For instance (on a postage stamp?) I am certain that QEII is shown wearing what appears to be an "Imperial" Crown (with raised arches). The "Queen's crown" as worn by service folk has the so-called depressed arches, and is also known as the St Edward's crown (surely a male saint?). Not a straightforward subject to study (there must be a book on it somewhere, or a good Google article.)
David D
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 20, 2020 11:10:43 GMT 12
I have added the photo Ron sent to his original post above.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 20, 2020 11:15:56 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 20, 2020 11:17:07 GMT 12
That is why she needs a big tower and lots of guards to keep all of her hats in.
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Post by davidd on May 20, 2020 12:28:06 GMT 12
She indeed does have a great selection of extremely expensive baubles, hopefully all stashed away securely when not on display. Apparently one crown (think this is called the "State" crown) is worn only at the coronation, and perhaps occasionally at other very high state occasions, began to read it up on the web, but it is pretty heavy going! Often the crowns are displayed in ceremonies, perched on a fancy cushion, and are carried around by usually reliable persona. One of the very valuable ones was accidentally dropped by the Duke of Argyll on one such regal occasion, and it was severely bent. Victoria (it was during her long reign) was not amused.
David D
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Post by phil on May 25, 2020 19:50:58 GMT 12
The current crown, often referred to as the 'Queen's crown', is more correctly known as St Edward's crown.
The previous crown, often referred to as the 'King's crown' and used by Queen Elizabeth's father, was the Tudor Crown.
Neither are exclusively for a king or queen to wear.
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Post by shorty on May 25, 2020 20:52:49 GMT 12
Sometime in the last year there was a BBC interview on TV with the Queen regarding the crown. The crown was sitting on the table between them with a white gloved flunky standing by to handle it. The Queen said that the crown was such a heavy and awkward thing to wear that she had to practice wearing it before the Coronation and she did this by wearing it during the day including while bathing the children. She wanted to point something out to the interviewer and the flunky moved forward to turn it round and she just reached out and grabbed it herself, saying that it was her crown and she could do that if she wanted to!
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Post by davidd on May 26, 2020 17:46:40 GMT 12
Don't be too hard on the "flunky" Shorty, he was only doing his job. Then again, Liz seems to have been a little bit waspish that day!
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