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Post by saratoga on Dec 23, 2020 12:05:36 GMT 12
Check out this image on the AirForce Museum image site.
ALB20084682053
Purports to be Harvard in an all red scheme.
Do the current crop of curators not know about the colour shade/shift inherent in Orthographic films, commonly used during early WW2 period?.
I think this aircraft is in an all yellow scheme,with red number 4...though an all red scheme would make for an interesting model and hours of colour conundrum discussion!.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 23, 2020 13:32:25 GMT 12
Right now the Keeper of Photographs, Matthew O'Sullivan, is away on his Christmas leave. However I have noted in the past couple of days photos continue to be added and several have incorrect captions, such as a Birdlings Flat photo with Gordons that are labelled as Baffins, a shot of two lines of Corsairs that are labelled as Thunderbolts, etc. I don't know if may an assistant is doing the uploading and they're not as knowledgeable as Matthew, or what the situation is. But you can email the team at research@airforcemuseum.co.nz with additional info or corrections for any of the photos and they are grateful for such input. I have added info to several photos in the past for Matthew and he happily accepts and adds such info. You cannot expect one person (or a couple there perhaps) to know everything about every topic in every photo.
Having said that though, I would be very surprised of Matthew is not aware of the orthographic effect, he has worked with old photos for what must be a couple of decades now. So this certainly makes me lean towards the thought someone else, maybe one of the volunteers, is doing the uploads at the moment. Send Matthew an email on the address above, and he will look at it and address it when he's back in January, I'm sure.
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Post by camtech on Dec 23, 2020 15:00:35 GMT 12
Dave, you are correct re Mathew being very open to updating information re the photo collection. Like you I have sent in corrections and additional information on photos that have a personal connection.
Please let him know as frequently he is working of a caption on the back of photo or where the photos come from.
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Post by camtech on Dec 23, 2020 18:00:00 GMT 12
Add to the above, a more obvious error of a Dakota, with Venturas in the background, captioned as NZ3514. Problem is - NZ3514 was a Lodestar. A code of some sort on the tail "could" be a '14', but if so is some loading code. Be grat to viwe the actual photo and work out the correct no.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 23, 2020 20:39:00 GMT 12
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Post by davidd on Dec 24, 2020 8:50:59 GMT 12
Almost certain that this print taken at Nausori (Fiji) and the two Hudsons (as identified by Dave H) will be 13 SU aircraft (candidates are 4 Sqn, prior to mid-Nov 44, or 8 Sqn, from mid-Nov to mid-Dec 44). Of course impossible to say which squadron without a date, such are the perils of attempting to describe photographs without dates, or locations, a truly black art.
Also seems to me that some of these photographs have captions based entirely on what is written on back of the actual print, and not necessarily by somebody who knew much about aircraft. Matthew can confidently tell a Lodestar from a Hudson, and a Hudson from a Ventura, so likely these "interim" captions date back very many years, before more knowledgeable specialists arrived on the scene. If these captions are still the official ones, all are still subject to updating and improvement as they are discovered.
David D
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Post by chinapilot on Dec 24, 2020 17:52:59 GMT 12
Some photos there that supplement the great RNZAF threads by aircraftclocks.
Have to wonder though why this thread has such a dramatic title - surely just pick up the phone or email the museum to let them know about their dastardly error?
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Post by saratoga on Dec 24, 2020 19:16:00 GMT 12
Not dramatic at all,just an illustration of how references can be corrupted by misinformation. Being the museum is/will be used as an authority.
No disrespect to the museum staff, as mentioned likely just transposing the info held with the image.
An example is the old Bruce Robertson aircraft books from the '50s and 60s that were the gospel(now almost totally discredited) for colour reference until some started looking at the source images, concluding, among some items, that the disruptive pattern illustrated was actually shadow from cam netting. Let alone the bogeyman colour interpretation of Orthographic film.
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