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Post by kiwirob on Dec 15, 2021 8:14:38 GMT 12
Australia is dumping all of their NH-90’s not just the MRH-90’s. Our NH-90’s were ordered to the same spec as the RAAF ones, so it shouldn’t be a problem for us to buy a few. Apart from convincing the Government to find the cash to: A. Purchase the aircraft. B. Provide additional operational funding. I'm not holding my breath given recent discussion about deferring existing Defence Force capital projects... They don’t need to fly them more than they do now, it’s more about having more of them to spread the hours across. It’s obvious our fleet are highly utilised since we have the highest hour NH-90’s in the world. This is what we do, buy too few then flog them to death quickly. |
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Post by beagle on Jan 19, 2022 16:34:51 GMT 12
Australia is dumping all of their NH-90’s not just the MRH-90’s. Our NH-90’s were ordered to the same spec as the RAAF ones, so it shouldn’t be a problem for us to buy a few.
They are all the same config MRH-90
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jan 19, 2022 17:08:48 GMT 12
Beagle! Long time...
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Post by beagle on Jan 19, 2022 18:58:34 GMT 12
looooong timebut never forgotten aviation |
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Post by thax on Jan 24, 2022 15:04:59 GMT 12
Australia is dumping all of their NH-90’s not just the MRH-90’s. Our NH-90’s were ordered to the same spec as the RAAF ones, so it shouldn’t be a problem for us to buy a few. They are all the same config MRH-90 : They are not the same configuration. While our NH90s are baselined against MRH-90, they have different radio suites, different role equipment (e.g. they use Top Owl HMSD) and therefore different software (which is increasingly the major issue). Bringing any MRH-90s into our fleet would be a significant undertaking. |
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Post by beagle on Jan 25, 2022 12:06:46 GMT 12
Sorry, yeah thought someone might get me on that comment.
I didn't quote the first part, my comment was that theirs are all MRH90's in more or less the same config.
Ours are different config yes.
So any decisions on a MLU program as yet or still too far away. Probably be some thoughts on likes, such as MX20's under the nose. Do we have a spare panel up front for that ? Any signs of cracking/ delamination that would possibly need an improvement package for MLU.
Say hello to Barbs for me.
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Post by mcmaster on Jun 10, 2022 23:09:31 GMT 12
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Post by gibbo on Jun 11, 2022 10:32:18 GMT 12
Yes it's a little worrying where the NH-90 is heading if we are to continue with them in the longer term...I guess you could argue ADF & Norwegians are helping to increase the spares pool...lol! The Norwegians have clearly been let down but I see theirs are the naval version and it sounds like onboard system issues may have been a big factor in their case... www.scramble.nl/military-news/norway-immediately-stops-operating-the-nh90 |
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Post by kiwirob on Jun 15, 2022 0:29:21 GMT 12
The Norwegians have a history of ordering equipment but not ordering the required amount of spare parts to keep the equipment operational, this was part of the problem, it was the same with the frigates 1 of the 5 (now 4) was cannibalised to provide operation spares for the rest of the fleet. |
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Post by Naki. on Jun 15, 2022 15:25:17 GMT 12
The Norwegians have a history of ordering equipment but not ordering the required amount of spare parts to keep the equipment operational, this was part of the problem, it was the same with the frigates 1 of the 5 (now 4) was cannibalised to provide operation spares for the rest of the fleet. I thought that frigate sunk or partially sunk in an accident? |
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Post by kiwirob on Jun 15, 2022 16:34:14 GMT 12
The Norwegians have a history of ordering equipment but not ordering the required amount of spare parts to keep the equipment operational, this was part of the problem, it was the same with the frigates 1 of the 5 (now 4) was cannibalised to provide operation spares for the rest of the fleet. I thought that frigate sunk or partially sunk in an accident? One sunk Helge Ingstad, she wasn't the one used for parts at the time. |
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Post by richard1098 on Jun 15, 2022 20:13:27 GMT 12
The Norwegians have a history of ordering equipment but not ordering the required amount of spare parts to keep the equipment operational, this was part of the problem, it was the same with the frigates 1 of the 5 (now 4) was cannibalised to provide operation spares for the rest of the fleet. They don't seem to have had NH-90 like issues with other airframes they currently operate or have operated, even the F-35. |
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Post by dutchkiwi on Nov 2, 2022 7:42:00 GMT 12
The Swedish MoD confirmed the whole fleet of NH.90'S will be axed. The continue problems led to get rid of them. They will be replaced by further UH-60M Black Hawks and another undisclosed type. The navy samples will likely been replaced by the naval version; MH-60R. Wondering if RNZAF will take a few more from second hand market (Norway, Belgium, Australia and now Sweden)... pretty much helo's available in next years.
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Post by pops2 on Nov 4, 2022 15:50:51 GMT 12
Buying 2nd hand NH-90s could be throwing good money after bad. If four Air Forces have decided that the NH-90 is not worth keeping on at full muster then the NZDF might consider looking at alternative helicopters. European nations buying American helicopters when the European helicopter factory (and parts) is comparatively 'down the road' compared to NZ. The Czechs have ordered 8 UH-1Y Venom helicopters and getting an extra 2 Venoms in the deal. This is a 2021 article - the US Marines were considering reducing their fleet of Venoms and Vipers (and storing the helicopters in the desert etc). The US Marines were considering their next war would be long-range missiles and drones. As has been seen in Ukraine there are anti-missile missiles and various anti-drone tech and still manned helicopters and people on the ground for convert operations etc. www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39925/marines-set-to-retire-dozens-of-ah-1z-and-uh-1y-helicopters-as-part-of-force-redesignIn my opinion, the Venom for the NZDF might fit between the roles of the Seasprite and NH-90, as well as the insurance factor of having a different set of spare parts suppliers in the US versus Europe. The Venom has a slightly smaller rotor diameter vs the NH-90 for jungle landing pads. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 4, 2022 16:32:04 GMT 12
I suspect the NZDF will be replacing the Seasprite before they look to replace the NH90.
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Post by machina on Nov 4, 2022 17:00:52 GMT 12
I suspect the NZDF will be replacing the Seasprite before they look to replace the NH90. Which is probably why we should grab some of the ones coming onto market, we’ll be using them a while. Have we actually had any serious issues with them? I recall that grounding a few years ago due to the engine but nothing else comes to mind. If we’re getting good use out of them it almost doesn’t matter what other countries are doing with theirs. |
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Post by nighthawknz on Nov 4, 2022 19:23:23 GMT 12
I suspect the NZDF will be replacing the Seasprite before they look to replace the NH90.
DCP 2019 states that the SeaSprites to be replaced 2028. They are getting an avionics upgrade soon to see them through.
Maritime Helicopter Replacement
199. The eight existing Seasprite SH-2G(I), the last of their type, will reach the end of their service lives in the late 2020s. A new fleet of maritime helicopters will be acquired in order to support the naval patrol, sealift and combat capabilities.
200. Maritime helicopters offer surveillance, air transport and combat capabilities. Initial thinking on the replacement helicopters will need to determine the primary role of the aircraft, to ensure they are appropriately suited to complement planned replacements for the patrol, sealift and combat capabilities.
Indicative dates:
Industry engagement commences – 2020
Request for tender – 2024
Introduction into Service – 2028
Indicative capital cost:
More than $1b
Whether they stick to this plan who knows...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 4, 2022 19:25:36 GMT 12
What is on paper and what is reality is not always the same thing.
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Post by nighthawknz on Nov 4, 2022 19:36:35 GMT 12
What is on paper and what is reality is not always the same thing. that why I said... "Whether they stick to this plan who knows..."  |
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Post by ajmcg on Feb 19, 2023 10:40:36 GMT 12
Interesting that after Cyclone Gabrielle RNZAF could deploy only 4 NH90’s with a 5th to follow. Out of a fleet of 8 that to me is disappointing. Perhaps we do need to look at more reliable helicopters. Not often used in combat we do need reliable helicopters for times of disaster.
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