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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 8, 2022 12:30:26 GMT 12
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Post by Mustang51 on Jan 8, 2022 14:35:44 GMT 12
What a wonderful record
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Post by davidd on Jan 8, 2022 15:03:36 GMT 12
These exercises must have been covered fairly well in the newspapers of the time, but unlikely to establish the date of the above camp due to lack of any hard clues in photos. However if they held exercises in different areas each time it might be easier, but I imagine they would have had a few favourite locations that suited them for most purposes.
David D
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Post by tbf2504 on Jan 9, 2022 7:42:07 GMT 12
The photos do show the perilous state of our Territorial and indeed permanent Army prior to WWII. Noting the use of horses, the Boer War 180lb bell tents and use of civilian vehicles
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 9, 2022 8:42:52 GMT 12
They also had a massive recruitment problem into the Army Territorials in the late 1930's. The government were running a massive recruitment campaign to try desperately to build up numbers. It was only when the war came along that numbers swelled.
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Post by davidd on Jan 9, 2022 8:58:36 GMT 12
Horses were still in use with majority of World's armies in the 1930s, but mechanisation was slowly taking over (although not so much in NZ!) The German armies also used vast numbers of horses and other beasts of burden during WW2, as did Russians, Japanese, Italians, etc, but these were often to supplement MT when conditions got too tough for the latter. The vast mass production of reasonably reliable motor trucks, etc. in the USA, and the various Lend-Lease agreements enabled many Allied armies to mechanize much faster than would otherwise have been the case. The NZ Army used its Mounted Rifles for home defence well into WW2, as they were probably cheaper and more capable for certain tasks than wheeled or even tracked vehicles. The army of Poland was held up to some ridicule in 1939 as they insisted on using cavalry against invading German AFVs, but I don't know if that was in desperation, or some sort of outmoded courage and belief - somebody will soon enlighten us.
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Post by madmac on Jan 9, 2022 10:01:19 GMT 12
Off the top of my head, the pole's use of Calvary appears to be due in part to its successes against the soviets relatively more mechanized forces in 1920. They also maintained one of the largest standing armys in Europe over much of the interwar period, so likely also a cost issue.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 9, 2022 10:19:26 GMT 12
I read not too long ago that the fabled Polish cavalry charge against the invading Germans never actually happened, and was just propaganda (I assume from the Germans to prove how backwards the Poles were?). Strange as a lot of Poles seem to have claimed they were in that charge.
The 2NZEF were what was known as mechanised infantry in the desert war and as they travelled into battle by truck, rather than on foot like a lot of the other divisions, they were always part of the vanguard in a battle as they had the elements of speed and surprise, leading to their successes so often.
But as David says, horses still played a big part in home defence. The NZ Home Guard had some big mounted units too, particularly in rural coastal regions like Hawkes Bay and Canterbury.
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Post by pepe on Jan 9, 2022 10:55:14 GMT 12
I read not too long ago that the fabled Polish cavalry charge against the invading Germans never actually happened, and was just propaganda (I assume from the Germans to prove how backwards the Poles were?). Strange as a lot of Poles seem to have claimed they were in that charge. The 2NZEF were what was known as mechanised infantry in the desert war and as they travelled into battle by truck, rather than on foot like a lot of the other divisions, they were always part of the vanguard in a battle as they had the elements of speed and surprise, leading to their successes so often. But as David says, horses still played a big part in home defence. The NZ Home Guard had some big mounted units too, particularly in rural coastal regions like Hawkes Bay and Canterbury. Oddly the German Army actually had many cavalry units of it's own including units comprising of the famous Cossack horsemen. These units were in action right up to the end of the war. www.axishistory.com/list-all-categories/150-germany-heer/heer-divisionen/3903-1-kosaken-kavallerie-division
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jan 9, 2022 15:59:02 GMT 12
I suggest the later group of photos were taken at Burnham Camp due to the windbreaks that appear to be eulyptus and the small buildings which i believe are ablution blocks.
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