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Post by typerated on Jan 19, 2022 20:41:12 GMT 12
Can the electronic suite in a P-8 or P-3K-2 detect volcanic ash cloud? I assume the weather radar cannot Well the Radar wont see ash. And there is nothing down the back that will see it either !
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Post by typerated on Jan 19, 2022 20:45:22 GMT 12
Covid risk? Get off the grass. Covid rules do not apply in emergencies. Oh no - not one of those. Perhaps it would be an excellent idea to require a vaccine pass in order to post! Perhaps the Military and the Government understand the introduction of Covid into Tonga might kill a lot more people than the Volcano!
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Post by scrooge on Jan 19, 2022 21:06:58 GMT 12
Read the news articles
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Post by retiredav8r on Jan 19, 2022 21:26:02 GMT 12
As the country of Tonga has no Covid and closed borders, it is their right to not allow any feet on ground from infected countries. I did hear that when the airport opens/clear of ash, they may have to drop supplies off on the runway and locals retrieve. Covid has become a real pain for the world.
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Post by Mustang51 on Jan 19, 2022 23:21:02 GMT 12
Has become....is and has been. That takes away from whats happening. Thinking the medical teams going in there shall be undertaking mass vaccinations as part of what they are doing elsewhere with the Govts permission. I do not know the vaccination status of the population.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jan 20, 2022 6:19:34 GMT 12
Would the RNZAF or RAAF consider airdrops?
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 20, 2022 7:31:13 GMT 12
Has become....is and has been. That takes away from whats happening. Thinking the medical teams going in there shall be undertaking mass vaccinations as part of what they are doing elsewhere with the Govts permission. I do not know the vaccination status of the population. 61% of full population with 2+ doses per Our World in Data. USA/NZ/AU 63/76/78%
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 20, 2022 7:38:25 GMT 12
There are no current warnings from VACC Wellington, so presumably any risk comes from stirring up whatever is on the ground To what information would VACC have access? This is a volcanic event of global significance, how could it not be spewing ash (like Pinatubo et al), visible or otherwise, and not have the same ramifications? When Ruapehu last erupted all sorts of changes were made to air routes and no-fly zones promulgated for extended periods. I can't see how what our first-responders are flying/sailing into is not a significant risk. Some volcanoes release ash for weeks, some release essentially none. I think the height that it goes to is also a factor? There were VACC warnings to Queensland as well as southern Fiji in the 2-3 days following, but not the ring around the globe likje from the one in South American a decade or so ago. Remember that the blast came from seawater contacting a lot of magma quickly, and the caldera is underwater.
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Post by Bruce on Jan 20, 2022 7:57:08 GMT 12
back in the 1990s, When Ruapehu was erupting, TranzGlobal (later CityJet) were permitted to operate its Bandeirantes Day VFR only, as they could see and avoid the ash cloud. No night ops or IFR. They ran daily compressor washes on the engines as a precaution. (they also operated out of Ardmore, Paraparaumu and West Melton during this period due to airways restrictions into Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch!). The general rule is not to fly into visible ash clouds, however ingested dust on landing is an issue for turbines (Less so piston engines).
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Post by Brett on Jan 20, 2022 8:34:41 GMT 12
Given the presence of volcanic ash on the ground, and potentially in the air, what would be the ideal equipment to deliver emergency supplies?
What is currently the preferred option between jets, turbo-props or pistons?
Would electric planes cope better in this situation (obviously not currently an option but potentially an option in the future)?
Is airlifting supplies from Navy ships using heavy-lift electric drones be something that the NZDF could look at as part of their future planning?
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 20, 2022 10:08:29 GMT 12
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Post by Mustang51 on Jan 20, 2022 10:19:51 GMT 12
Well done Kiwis !!!
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 20, 2022 11:21:54 GMT 12
NZ7001 left around 1145 as KIW544 From NZDF update 1242h nzdf.mil.nz/nzdf/significant-projects-and-issues/tonga-response/“The delivery of supplies will be contactless and the aircraft is expected to be on the ground for up to 90 minutes before returning to New Zealand,” Peeni Henare said. The aircraft is due to arrive in Tonga at approximately 4pm NZ time. No aircraft could land before now because the runway had to be cleared of volcanic ash. The New Zealand response to the developing situation in Tonga is well underway and the offshore patrol vessel HMNZS Wellington is expected to arrive in Tonga later today. It is carrying hydrographic and dive personnel and also has a Seasprite helicopter to assist with supply delivery. ... “We are also preparing to deploy HMNZS Canterbury, with two NH90 helicopters on board, which is planning to leave on Saturday,” Peeni Henare said.
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Post by kiwined on Jan 20, 2022 14:28:27 GMT 12
RNZAF need to do what those Chinese pricks did a few years ago in Vanuatu - park the Herc across the middle of the runway to stop them landing and tel them to bugger off.
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Post by mcmaster on Jan 20, 2022 17:01:08 GMT 12
www.aap.com.au/news/raaf-flights-ready-for-tonga-aid-mission/Good ol Aussie /Kiwi teamwork. HMAS Adelaide loading Chinooks and C17s and Hercs on way. ‘The HMAS Adelaide is also ready to be deployed from Brisbane either on Thursday or Friday, loaded with humanitarian and disaster relief supplies, along with critical equipment to help recovery efforts. Three chinook helicopters have also been loaded onto the ship. It’s expected the voyage to Tonga will take five days, and the ship will serve as a base for relief work. Australia’s high commissioner to Tonga has described the damage from a tsunami in the Pacific nation as catastrophic, as more disaster relief supplies arrive. Rachael Moore said the volcanic eruption and tsunami led to large amounts of buildings being wiped out on small islands. “Through the region, these places are devastated, they’re described as a moonscape,” she told ABC Radio on Thursday. “We’ve seen reporting of zero houses remaining on some of the small islands and along the western beaches. There’s a moonscape where there were once beautiful resorts and many, many homes.” Ms Moore said freshwater contamination in the country following the tsunami had caused significant issues. “Water is an extremely high priority here and it’s something the government is working on, and development partners here are working closely with them on ensuring that they have what they need,” she said. After several days of limited access, phone communications have been restored in Tonga, allowing residents to get in touch with family abroad. However, internet connections will still take longer to repair after an underwater cable was severed. It’s expected the repair of the cable will take several weeks. Complicating matters was Tonga’s border measures due to the pandemic, which have kept the Pacific nation COVID-free. Disaster relief efforts are expected to be led by locals on the ground in order to avoid a spread of virus cases on top of the tsunami damage. A Royal NZ Air Force C-130 Hercules is also on its way to Tonga carrying aid supplies, including water, temporary shelters, generators and communications equipment. The offshore patrol vessel HMNZS Wellington carrying a helicopter as well as mapping and diving personnel is also due to arrive on Thursday. The maritime sustainment vessel HMNZS Aotearoa – which has bulk water supplies on board – is expected to arrive in Tonga on Friday. The Aotearoa can carry 250,000 litres, and produce 70,000 litres per a through a desalination plant. The HMNZS Canterbury, with two NH90 helicopters on board, is planning to leave on Saturday. Prime Minister Scott Morrison spoke with his counterpart Siaosi Sovaleni on Wednesday afternoon and said Australia’s priority remained delivering assistance in a COVID-free manner. “I reassured him that Australia stands shoulder to shoulder with the Kingdom of Tonga as it responds to the undersea volcanic eruption and tsunami,” Mr Morrison said. “I conveyed Australia’s deep sadness for the loss of life and the damage caused by the disaster, and wished those injured a speedy recovery.”
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 21, 2022 9:28:21 GMT 12
ADF images images.defence.gov.au/assets/S20220049Andrew Greene ABC Defence Correspondent Two Japanese Air Self-Defense Force C-130 transport planes are flying to Australia where they’ll be temporarily based as they deliver relief supplies to Tonga following volcanic eruption 🇯🇵 🇦🇺 🇹🇴
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Post by McFly on Jan 21, 2022 11:08:36 GMT 12
Royal New Zealand Air Force: First Hercules flight to Tonga
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Post by retiredav8r on Jan 21, 2022 11:17:17 GMT 12
A great effort and job done my our service personnel, but get rid of the dramatic "Americanized music"
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Post by Mustang51 on Jan 21, 2022 11:28:13 GMT 12
Unfortunately all PR people...civilian or military...are tarred with the same brush. Classic example of this is the piano music they play with the US Masters - its like its God's game or something and you are in heaven.....
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Post by tbf2504 on Jan 21, 2022 12:48:01 GMT 12
I note in the video they taxied with the outboards shutdown to reduce the chances of stirring up the ash which in one shot is still thick at the edge of the seal
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