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Post by phil on Jul 29, 2022 15:47:27 GMT 12
I was working on 11SQN when the RAAF introduced this, and I heard it all then. There was exactly the same rolling of eyes and the same points were brought up (ie Aviator is the male term, Aviatrix being the feminine version etc etc).
After about a year no one even notices any more, it's just the new normal.
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Post by McFly on Jul 29, 2022 16:42:27 GMT 12
Well, having spoken to a number of affected people in the RNZAF, the reply from all was, "what a lot of BS, no one asked the people who will be affected by this name change" FAQs Continued..  "7. How was consultation on the change carried out and who was involved?Over the past few years there have been many discussions and periods of consultation on the use of the ‘Airman’ terminology, its continued suitability, and it’s relation to being non-discriminatory and gender neutral. It has reached a stage where further consultation would not add value to this process. There is usually not full agreement about such significant change as we have already seen with the term ‘Airman’ however, this should not prevent us from moving forward in the right direction as a modern, diverse and inclusive Air Force." |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 29, 2022 17:09:02 GMT 12
I think a much better term would have been to call all members of the Air Force by the term "Top Guns". The media is already onboard.
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Post by Antonio on Jul 29, 2022 17:21:35 GMT 12
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Post by snaphead on Jul 30, 2022 13:18:38 GMT 12
I was originally an airframe fitter, and by virtue of a 3 week j-52 course i became an aircraft tech. My definition of Aviator is to refer to Howrd Huges ( a nutter).
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 30, 2022 15:39:27 GMT 12
I think a much better term would have been to call all members of the Air Force by the term "Top Guns". The media is already onboard. Guns, we don't let the Air Force lose with guns any more do we? HADR, transport , EEZ patrols and SAR only  |
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Post by madmax on Jul 30, 2022 19:51:53 GMT 12
"Top Gurus"?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 30, 2022 20:00:30 GMT 12
Top Goons?
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 30, 2022 20:22:41 GMT 12
Hey we're kiws - Te Goons
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Post by Chelsea57986 on Aug 2, 2022 7:04:09 GMT 12
To take a slightly different slant, since when has having a Queens commission being acknowledged been “divisive”? Does this mean that saluting is to go?
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Post by Antonio on Aug 2, 2022 9:24:41 GMT 12
Do humans now become hupersons???   |
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Post by Chelsea57986 on Aug 2, 2022 11:23:42 GMT 12
Of course following a longstanding tradition members of the gentle sex will be know as Aviatrix (such as Amelia Earhart) Yeah surely Airman is better than aviator in a inclusion sense? |
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Post by Antonio on Aug 2, 2022 15:45:05 GMT 12
What about Airheads?  |
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Post by McFly on Aug 2, 2022 17:13:43 GMT 12
To take a slightly different slant, since when has having a Queens commission being acknowledged been “divisive”? Does this mean that saluting is to go? FAQs Continued... "Paying of Compliments2.45 Personnel are to comply with the orders laid down in DFOs(F) and NZAP 818 with regard to the paying of compliments. There is to be no diminution or variation of these orders.
2.46 Saluting by non-commissioned ranks is recognition of the Queens Commission, being indirectly a salute to the Sovereign through the individual holding the Queens authority. Returning an airman’s or airwoman’s (Aviators) salute is not an acknowledgment of his/her salute to the officer personally, but recognition of the fact that through an officer he/she has given an outward sign of his/her loyalty to the Queen and the Service.
2.47 It is important that non-commissioned officers and others salute, and it is the responsibility of all officers to see that saluting is carried out." |
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Post by Chelsea57986 on Aug 2, 2022 19:02:43 GMT 12
To take a slightly different slant, since when has having a Queens commission being acknowledged been “divisive”? Does this mean that saluting is to go? FAQs Continued... "Paying of Compliments2.45 Personnel are to comply with the orders laid down in DFOs(F) and NZAP 818 with regard to the paying of compliments. There is to be no diminution or variation of these orders.
2.46 Saluting by non-commissioned ranks is recognition of the Queens Commission, being indirectly a salute to the Sovereign through the individual holding the Queens authority. Returning an airman’s or airwoman’s (Aviators) salute is not an acknowledgment of his/her salute to the officer personally, but recognition of the fact that through an officer he/she has given an outward sign of his/her loyalty to the Queen and the Service.
2.47 It is important that non-commissioned officers and others salute, and it is the responsibility of all officers to see that saluting is carried out."Clears it up a bit, but still doesn’t explain the “divisive” nature of/what is “divisive” about holding a Queen’s Commission? |
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Post by Antonio on Aug 3, 2022 16:39:23 GMT 12
Barracks = Air B&B
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Post by 30sqnatc on Aug 3, 2022 17:25:47 GMT 12
What about Airheads? Are they the reserved loo's for helicopter personnel embarked on Canterbury - aviators, for use of  |
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Post by Antonio on Aug 4, 2022 9:26:37 GMT 12
Air Conditioning: Recruit course
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