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Post by machina on Feb 12, 2023 20:06:03 GMT 12
UFO as strictly defined. Aside from the Chinese balloon there have been these objects shot down over Alaska and Canada on consecutive days, plus the scare/possible other shutting down Montana airspace.
What are everybody’s thoughts?
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 12, 2023 20:17:15 GMT 12
The vernacular is now UAP.....BS to me as they do not now wish to get involved with the little green men implications of UFO......UFO is what they are....unidentified flying objects.... not aerial phenomena....which to me stinks of the "swamp gas" excuses of the 50s and 60s. These objects are unknown, they are flying either under power or through the actions of the atmosphere and they are physical therefore they are "objects". I cannot understand why the latest one dispatched over Alaska was said to be the size of a small car but no other description. With a bloody great 200 foot high balloon attached above it, and if that was the case, why did they leave out the "balloon"?
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Post by machina on Feb 12, 2023 20:34:57 GMT 12
The vernacular is now UAP.....BS to me as they do not now wish to get involved with the little green men implications of UFO......UFO is what they are....unidentified flying objects.... not aerial phenomena....which to me stinks of the "swamp gas" excuses of the 50s and 60s. These objects are unknown, they are flying either under power or through the actions of the atmosphere and they are physical therefore they are "objects". I cannot understand why the latest one dispatched over Alaska was said to be the size of a small car but no other description. With a bloody great 200 foot high balloon attached above it, and if that was the case, why did they leave out the "balloon"? The Canadian one has been described as ‘cylindrical’ - like a Tic Tac!  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 12, 2023 20:36:17 GMT 12
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Post by machina on Feb 12, 2023 20:36:52 GMT 12
You’re right though, if they were balloons it most likely would have been reported as such, just like the Chinese one. Makes you wonder what they could be.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 12, 2023 20:43:53 GMT 12
Today I was told about the new "Merged" podcast hosted by former US Navy Super Hornet pilot Ryan Graves. He is one of the famous pilots that spoke out about the Tic Tacs. I am halfway through episode 3, which I skipped to but will go back to the other episodes, with guest Kegan Gill. Holy cow, his story of his ejection just above the water at nearly Mach 1, and the damage it did to his body and the recovery is incredible. That story is worth a listen aside to the UFO stuff he was involved with. Podbean has the episodes here www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/d7z86-29a86f/MERGED-PodcastThe official site is here. www.mergedpodcast.com/ |
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Post by mcmaster on Feb 13, 2023 8:03:28 GMT 12
All this vagueness on what was shot down is easy fuel for talk of UFOs etc but maybe it’s deliberate to by the US to de-escalate tensions with China. If there’s a fleet of these surveillance balloons I assume they are not easily turned around after the first was shot down. By not announcing another (and another) Chinese asset blasted out of the sky might be seen to distract the direct nature of the response. This all goes with the idea of the Chinese either seriously misjudging the US’s response to these incursions and/or overall poor risk assessment. It’s also not clear how high up the leadership knew what exactly this program was about and the potential impact on high level meetings with the US/China.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 13, 2023 10:11:12 GMT 12
If it was a Tic Tac or similar like the US Navy admits they have been seeing for years, they'd a) never have gotten a chance to shoot it down, and B) if they had, they'd never mention it to the public. They are clearly balloons. THE USAF is probably releasing them now to get the F-22's street cred up there... |
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Post by madmac on Feb 13, 2023 12:16:30 GMT 12
I think the first one got shot down because it was visible to the general population, after that, they possibly looked at the payload and had an Oh Shit moment, plus they have appeared to have updated the filters on the NORAD radar to pickup the balloons.
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Feb 13, 2023 12:35:36 GMT 12
The Chinese must take their meteorological surveillance very seriously.
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Post by machina on Feb 13, 2023 14:12:33 GMT 12
Can we finally say the balloon has gone up?
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Post by machina on Feb 13, 2023 14:52:12 GMT 12
Another one just shot down by an F-16 near the US-Canada border.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 13, 2023 14:56:28 GMT 12
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Post by machina on Feb 13, 2023 15:09:13 GMT 12
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Post by retiredav8r on Feb 13, 2023 15:10:16 GMT 12
It is confirmed the first air space violator was a balloon, however it has not been confirmed if it was a valid balloon shot down by overreacting yanks. The latest shootdowns, even the pilots cannot make up their minds as to what the shape or objects were. In the next few days, we will probably find out they shot down some poor buggers' experiment aircraft and they are afraid to come forward because of the expected over reaction we are currently seeing. Only one has been confirmed to be a device suspended under a balloon, how anyone could mis one of those balloons is amazing, they are huge and a nice white color.
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Post by retiredav8r on Feb 13, 2023 15:27:30 GMT 12
Octagonal in shape with strings hanging off it: They just shot down their own new airborne pentagon replacement. Must be small also, only needs string to hold it up.
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Post by falcon124 on Feb 13, 2023 16:00:15 GMT 12
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 13, 2023 18:12:32 GMT 12
Perhaps surveillance and capability assessment.....send a range of items across the Pacific supported by balloons of various sizes and shapes plus various payloads to see which are observed and which slipped through the early warning network....send more of the latter
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 13, 2023 18:57:12 GMT 12
Queue music!
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 14, 2023 8:32:28 GMT 12
Now that is something that I remember with great fondness......and who did not have a copy of that (and Tubular Bells...) ahhhhh, misspent youth !
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