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Post by agalbraith on Jun 17, 2007 13:07:44 GMT 12
Hi, been working on the TA-4K again for a bit. Been flitting between the Miles M2 and this over the past week or so.
I brought the Black Box 32nd resin cockpit but am not overly happy with it and the differences needed for a KAHU one(aside from the obvious). Seems as though the one this was modelled off was quite different in many respects(aside from the seats which are beautiful) so I am working on a whole new scratchbuilt tub. Does anyone have any decent shots of the rear consols on our KAHU TA-4's. I have hundreds of photos but for some reason have missed photographing the actual consols. I have enough bits from other photos but would prefer an overall shot of each. I am presently building the rear part behind the back seat and have roughed out the rear tub for now.
I will get some photo's up when I have some tangeable progress.
Any help appreciated
Anthony
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Post by Calum on Jun 17, 2007 16:52:29 GMT 12
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Post by agalbraith on Jun 17, 2007 21:39:16 GMT 12
Thanks Calum
Your site has to be one of my favourites on the net! I have pillaged several things from there for my files for modelling. Went back just now and saw a couple of good things I had missed that will help in the rear cockpit.
Cheers
Anthony
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Post by wjlaviator on Aug 11, 2007 8:47:47 GMT 12
Wow, thank you Barnsey for sharing that amazing experience with us. As I was S&S and worked both in the liferaft section at Ohakea and sometimes helped out in the Parachute Bay there (as well as both sections on other bases), it is really good to read such a first hand account like this and hear about the gear we worked on day in, day out actually being put into action and saving a life. And written so vividly too, it must be one of the heaviest imprinted memories you'll have I guess, yet all over in a few seconds. Thanks again for telling us about it. It's greatly appreciated. I'd be keen to hear, if you don't mind telling some more, about the splashdown and how after hitting the water was it easy after all that stress to get into the single seat raft? I used top teach dinghy drills and also went through the ejection drill machine at the Ohakea pool during my S&S training where it simulated the touchdown after ejection. At that time I and all the other trainees were thinking there was so much to remember - relasing the mask, cutting away the chute so it doesn't drag you under, etc - surely under stress it would be one big blur and you'd forget your training. Was it like this? Or was it more like time standing still and everything came back to you from your training in the right sequence? Colin, I recall seeing a photo of Fred Kinvig just after landing from his ejection. It was displayed in the Ohakea Museum in 1993 when it opened to the public so may still be there. His leg was pointing backwards to where the knee joint should point from memory. The caption stated the photographer (an RNZAF Photog) happened to be first on the scene and his first instinct was 'record this on film'then help the guy. He was commended for doing so apparently. Seems quite funny really, imagine the poor bloke in agony seeing a rescuer running over and then stopping to take snaps!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2007 17:28:42 GMT 12
Welcome to the forum wjlaviator.
Was there something you wanted to say above? it doesn't seem to have appeared below the quote.
However thanks for bringing this thread back to the top because it was running at the time when my computer crashed last year and I lost track of it. I know it's nearly a year late but thanks Barnsey for answering my questions. Fascinating stuff.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2007 17:43:25 GMT 12
A few points from your text barnsey. you mention the Koch fittings. I seem to recall these were called Capewell fittings on most of the chutes I worked on - where you flicked back the cover and pulled the ring to release the risers. Were they different fittings on the Skyhawk chutes? I can't remember now.
Also, what was BOI?
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Post by FlyNavy on Aug 15, 2007 0:06:53 GMT 12
A better graphic of KOCH fittings is somewhere however this graphic from a TA-4J NATOPS gives an idea: Flick up the covers and then pull a bar down with fingers to release. Maybe that is not 'kosher' (pun intended) terminology - it is a long time ago now. :-) ;D BOI=Board of Inquiry
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Post by FlyNavy on Aug 15, 2007 0:25:35 GMT 12
www.hkoch.com/sec_gen_release.cfmSecond Generation Parachute Canopy Release Product Part Number: 980100 Description The Koch Second‑Generation Release is a universal release for use by all aircrew personnel on all aircraft. The manual detachment forces are very low, even under conditions of high parachute riser loads. A low opening force release enables the downed aircrews to separate themselves from their parachute canopy under the most severe land and water drag conditions, protecting then from potentially lethal injuries. During daily operation the manual canopy release features a tactile and audible “snap‑in” secure male connection, and Koch’s two motion‑single‑handed release mechanism. A latch mechanism prevents inadvertent opening under inertial loading, snagging or windblast. The Koch Second‑Generation Release, like it’s US Air Force, US Navy and Foreign military predecessors, was designed to last for years. Product Features Less than 15 pound manual release force. 8500 pound tensile strength construction. Inertia proof mechanism. Stainless steel construction. Inertia proof mechanism. Subdued black matte finish available. The Second Generation Canopy Release weighs less than 10 ounces
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Post by FlyNavy on Aug 15, 2007 0:32:35 GMT 12
www.ejectionsite.com/glossary.htmKoch/Frost Fittings Quick disconnect fittings made by the H.R. Koch and Sons company. These fittings replaced the Rocketjet and Capewell fittings on earlier parachute systems. The Frost-type are used by the USAF on the F-16 ACES II, and by NASA for most of their seats. The Koch fittings come in either USAF or USN varieties. The USAF variety has the male portion of the connector on the risers, and the USN version has the male on the torso harness. The female fittings are slightly different in design as the airman's fingers will access them in opposite directions.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2007 1:40:41 GMT 12
Aha, now seeing them yes they do look familiar, we were shown these fittings when I did my parachute course but I never worked on them. Thanks Phil. And thanks for explaining BOI too.
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Post by kiwichappers on Aug 15, 2007 5:18:49 GMT 12
What a marvellous thread. The modelling is superb Anthony and I am following it closely on a 'look and learn' basis as have a few 32nd A4s in the pending tray. The history and dialogue from the people involved with the service of a particular airframe is very interesting and adds a lot to the model.
Great just great!
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Post by wjlaviator on Aug 16, 2007 10:55:18 GMT 12
I was one of Fred Kinvig's students on the Harvard in the mid 1950s. A great guy and a sad loss. he taught me well and it paid off in my later career in the RAF.
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Post by kiwikid on Jun 12, 2008 14:23:55 GMT 12
Hi Anthony, just a newbie here. I am currently building a 1/12 scale RC EDF TA-4K (from a TA-4J kit) and was wondering whether there are any updates on your build that can be posted here. Thanks
KiwiKid
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