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Post by kiwichappers on Aug 15, 2007 5:10:12 GMT 12
The weather here has turned back to wet and wintry hence no harvesting today so a chance to catch up on a bit of modelling. Heres a couple of pictures of NZ3808 as she appeared in the Antarctic from October to December 1985. This is the first of another series of models this time covering the RNZAF's involvement in the southern continent which I started about four years ago. This group is very much on hold whilst the Schrader series gets all my attention but is planned to include a couple more Hueys, Auster, Hercules, the Beaver, and the Otter. I know the Otter never made it to the ice but it got the paint job and thats good enough for me. I started with the Italeri kit and added quite to the interior such items as long range bladder fuel tank, seat belts, pedal cables, and assorted grills and louvres from brass, nickel, and foil. After I finished the model I found a picture which looks like there was a winch fitted for duty in the Antarctic so the small door was closed to hide this area until I get around to making one.   |
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 15, 2007 7:31:52 GMT 12
Wow, that is stunning!!!
I just love everything about that model. The finish, the colours everything. I have to dash to work but I have a few questions for you when I get home!
Couldnt go without commenting on your lovely job.
Cheers
Anthony
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 15, 2007 11:16:05 GMT 12
Absolutely gorgeous!!!
I fully agree with Anthony, everything about that model is superb. Thanks so much for posting photos. Is it 1/72nd or 1/48th?
Regarding the interior, did you remember the rather huge Antarctic Survival Pack for under the back seat? We used to have one at Wigram. They had standard packs for all flights, a bigger one for Alpine flights and a huge one for Antarctic flights, which included sleeping bagas, ice picks, etc. It was like Christmas opening one to do its servicing.
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Post by corsair67 on Aug 15, 2007 11:31:30 GMT 12
Fantastic work - I can even hear the distinctive sound of an Iroquois just by looking at that model!  Why aren't there any penguins next to the chopper? ;D |
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Post by kiwichappers on Aug 15, 2007 21:25:09 GMT 12
Thanks for the compliments guys.
It is a 1/48th model and is the first helicopter I built in this scale.
Now then Dave, 'did I remember the survival pack', whoops, what survival pack? I did not come across these in my research so thankyou for your insider knowledge. I would be very interested to have details of the packs for future models and possibly to add to this one if I can.
Whilst on the knowledge quest I have been thinking of adding some people [and penguins] around the helicopter to explain the open door but have failed to find any pictures showing Kiwi crew in the Antarctic. I would guess there was a special clothing issue for the polar operations. Does anybody have details or pictures that would help.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2007 12:43:58 GMT 12
Kiwichappers, were you working from photos to get the positioning and colour of the word "RNZAF" on the front? This isn't meant as a criticism in any way but I note that in photos of the Orange Roughy NZ6708 on this forum (where it received the spurious Ministry of Works extra markings as a joke) the word RNZAF is in orange, larger and positioned on the black. I'm just wondering, if your details came from photos too, did the same aircraft get painted as the Roughy more than once (I know there were several seasons of an Orange Roughy but I don't know if it was always '08). If it was always '08, was there a reason, like did it have special mods like better heating or something? As for the Antarctic Survival Pack, I took a load of photos of Iroquois at No. 3 Squadron Detachment, Wigram, in about 1992, which you can find in a thread here rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=Modelling&action=display&thread=1126076719From those photos I pick out this one - in the background is the large orange canvas bag - that's the Antarctic Survival Pack.  Also of note for future RNZAF Iroquois modelling are these interior shots. The green canvas bag on the seat contains the winching strop and harness that wraps around the person being winched. They always carried one of these bags. The orange pack by the crewman's seat is the Alpine Survival Pack which was only carried on the 'on call' duty chopper in case of a mountain rescue call out (which were frequent). Of course they were also fitted if specific mountain training was being done. However if regular work was beign done this was removed and a smaller, squarer pack was fitted with standard survival equipment. These packs I don't have a photo of but they came in really faded green canvas or really really faded orange canvas. I'm not sure what the large green pack is in the photo, and the obscured one at the far side of the gurney also puzzles me but may be a second Alpine Survivial Pack, not sure.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2007 13:02:05 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Aug 16, 2007 19:16:17 GMT 12
Sory Dave but your comments for that last image were incorrect.
The orange pack positioned against the wall beside the crewmans seat is in fact a standard iroquois survival pack.
The green one on the floor looks like one of the seperate packs that make up the alpine survival pack. From memory there are 3-5 seperate bags in one bug bag. Each bag containing equipment for 1 person, unless things have changed.
Les would know more, but then again the Safety Equipment Bay is now at Ohakea.
The Antarctica Survival Packs, if they were the same as we had that were used on the C130 and borrowed for use on the Orions when they did deep south patrols were pretty big bags.
I can recall we got tthem in for their annual servicing once and the yound keen civvy we have working with us at the time stripped them down for servicing. This was all ok till 4am the next nmorning when I got a call from a senior loadmaster saying that they has an emergency on the ice and they were about to fly the a/c back to WP from CHC to pick these survival packs up plus other gear etc.
I had about 3 hours to repack everything, something which would take one person a few days to do. just as well we had not sent away the pyros etc.
It was fun getting the Orderly Officer to go around the barracks waking the young fellas up to report to work.
Job done and pretty sure they did do a midwinter drop or pickup from memory.
Would have been 98/99
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Post by beagle on Aug 16, 2007 19:33:47 GMT 12
Cannot remember the image of it down there but was it the one with the 40th colours on the tail
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2007 19:48:35 GMT 12
Sory Dave but your comments for that last image were incorrect. The orange pack positioned against the wall beside the crewmans seat is in fact a standard iroquois survival pack. Your'e right, thinking about your comments I was mistaken. It has been 14 years since I worked on these things. But I blew the image up and had a good look at that orange pack. I realise now it's one of the newer Iroquois Survival Packs which came into service at Wigram about 1993. They replaced the very faded ones which were more square shouldered than this one looks. Yes that might be so. Indeed the bigger bags did have smaller bags that the crew could wear as backpacks with all their gear. I think there were three of them in a normal pack. I'm certain that big orange bag on the hangar floor is the Iroquois Antarctic Survival Pack, but as I say after 14 years I may be mistaken. Maybe it's an Alpine Pack? sorry for putting people crook earlier. Thanks Beagle on the correction. |
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Post by beagle on Aug 16, 2007 19:52:45 GMT 12
Les will probably come on and correct me........
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Post by 30sqnatc on Aug 16, 2007 19:55:37 GMT 12
Don't forget you now have to include a P-3 in the Antarctic list!! Isn't the Boeing pencilled it to go south once the cargo door is fitted and it has the requsite nav fit? Paul |
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Post by beagle on Aug 16, 2007 20:51:57 GMT 12
There wa sa decision made a few months ago saying that they had suspended all ideas of sending the 757 south.
Thats what the herk was designed for, not the 757.
yes it would look cool etc and be much quicker but if anything happened.......................
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 16, 2007 21:17:10 GMT 12
Hi there, me again
Just wondering what paint you used for her? The colour looks just spot on. Also is that some sort of net between the skids? I think that is what it is as I cant quite tell on my screen. But then I am prone to seeing things too 8^)).
What did you use to simulate the snow also?
I am sure there were a few other things but cant quite remember just yet.
Anyway, awesome work and very inspiring.
Cheers
Anthony
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Post by Damon on Aug 16, 2007 22:17:54 GMT 12
Smashing Model kiwichappers! Really Fantastic!
Dave ,for the 1989/90 season on the ice ,RNZAF Iroquois NZ 3812 was painted in the Orange Roughy colour scheme. In the 1992/93 season an Iroquois NZ3813 went to the Antarctic but was in the Camo. scheme not in O.R scheme.
I believe that NZ3108 also carried a motif of Murray Ball's cartoon charactor of 'Dog' on the right hand side of the cockpit door in 1985 .
For the record. NZ3808 made 92 flights ,carried 56,830 lbs of freight and 341 passengers incl. VIP's in 99.8 hours flown during the 1985 Antarctic season.
Damon
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2007 22:34:03 GMT 12
Thanks Damon. Very comprehensive answer. Are you an Orange-Roughy-Spotter? Or do you have a book on the subject?  Mike, have you landed on the ice yourself in an Orion? If so, can you tell us what the experience is like please? |
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Post by kiwichappers on Aug 16, 2007 23:03:41 GMT 12
Now then guys,
Thanks for all the information and constuctive comments. The interior shot is very useful.
I built this model before I discovered the true value of the net was as a modelling tool par excellence. I don't think I ever had picture of 08 as the Orange Roughy but rather pieced information together from several sources after finding the brief description of '08 service on a printout from ADF serials. This combined with a Max Decals 1/72 sheet for '08, some 1/48 Whirlybird decals, and shots of RNZAF helicopters generally was about the sum of my information. Along the way I picked up additional information about such things a long range fuel tanks which were added.
I have had a look at the other helio threads you mentioned and noticed MANY items that need adding as well as some that should not be there. Braces to cable cutters, black aerial struts on the tail boom as well as the yellow band which I completely missed. There is also a louvred access panel on the starboard side of the tail boom of my model that does not appear to be on the thread photos. Its beginning to look like a fresh start is needed for a more accurate model, ho hum.
On the Antarctic helicopter front the Max decal sheet I have includes a Wasp also in an overall bright red scheme and I have thought of using the Fujimi 1/48 scale kit for this one. Has anyone built this kit in RNZN configuration?
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Post by kiwichappers on Aug 16, 2007 23:38:33 GMT 12
Me again dealing with supplimentry questions, as they say in 'The House', whoops sorry no politics, tee hee! Anthony Pleased you like the model although by now you will have noticed there are some glitches with it, all part of growing up I guess. With the additional information I am getting quite keen to build another, or possibly several '08s at various stages of its life. What appears to be a net is in fact shadow from the undercarriage supports. The paint I used was Lifecolor which is made by Astromodel S.a.S of Genoa, Italy. They are acrylics which I found difficult to work with but as they had what seemed to me to be the best match I perservered. This paint relies on its own primer and without it just does not adhere or give the correct shade, especially over olive drab coloured plastic. The colour coats were also applied much thinner than I usually use, probably about 40/60 paint to thinners. I cannot remember if I thinned with water of Isopropal but suspect it was most likely Isopropal. The colour used was LC 22 [alledgely FS38913] 'Matt Fluorescent Red' applied over Lifecolor white primer. The base was made using a B & Q own brand grout/tile adhesive. I looked for a grount which had a 'silver sand' or silica filler as this gives a subtle sparkle to the snow which I thought looked about right.
Damon,
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 16, 2007 23:47:31 GMT 12
Kiwichappers, wow, I'd never have picked up those descrepancies on your model. it looks perfect to me. And to hear you made it without photo references is even better. I wouldn't stress about it, you've done a great job. I hope my question about the nose wording wasn't taken as a criticism, it wasn't meant to be.
If you do decide to build another UH-1H, I can recommend the 1/32nd Revell Iroquois which is a nice kit and is big enough to super detail inside and out.
Which navy was the orange Wasp with? RN?
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Post by kiwichappers on Aug 17, 2007 0:00:12 GMT 12
Comon Dave, there is no stress. I will always welcome constructive criticism which is how I view your comments.
1/32 is nice but I have planned a diaorama with a Hercules and in 1/32 that would be big.
The Orange Wasp was RNZN according to Max Decals I think, but will check.
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