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Post by FlyNavy on May 1, 2008 0:00:50 GMT 12
And as if radar blips don't suddenly disappear anyway. But hey if you have never seen a radar blip nor seen one disappear then being told that one appeared and then disappeared seems to be mighty strange when it ain't. ;D But hang on. I'm surrounded by UFOs and they are all nodding...... ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 1, 2008 0:18:22 GMT 12
I'm sure I have heard that an official finding of the investigation was it was lights from trawlers and squid boats reflecting off the clouds that caused the lights. It's plausible, but what caused all the radar blips? Birds maybe?
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Post by FlyNavy on May 1, 2008 0:38:37 GMT 12
UFOs. ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 1, 2008 0:45:35 GMT 12
Oh yeah I never thought of that...
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 1, 2008 0:49:40 GMT 12
If you're interested in Air Force versus UFO's there's a couple of documentaries here on the BBC site which are actually worth a listen. I listened to them ages ago, with sceticism, but there's some plausibility in these stories - Britain's X Files www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/xfiles.shtml |
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Post by mumbles on May 1, 2008 19:00:27 GMT 12
And as if radar blips don't suddenly disappear anyway. But hey if you have never seen a radar blip nor seen one disappear then being told that one appeared and then disappeared seems to be might strange when it ain't. ;D But hang on. I'm surrounded by UFOs and they are all nodding...... ;D I should have expanded the quote, as the point the authors were making was that the disappearances were very similar to what happened to the objects seen by the Argosy crew when they tried to approach them. I agree with you that being unfamiliar with things can lead to normal occurences being taken out of context, which may be occuring in the passage quoted. I'm not a trained radar operator so I don't know! However, this remains one of the few instances when UFO's have been simultaneously observed and tracked by radar. It's a pity the film looks so dodgy as it ultimately distracts from the other observations that led to the film crew being there in the first place. I'm not even going to begin to speculate about what was actually seen, tracked and filmed, but if the account of the official investigation in the book I quoted is accurate, then its conclusions are suspect. My professional training is in science, and if the account of the investigation is accurate, the investigative methodology was very poor, and easily suspected of being a whitewash to satisfy the public rather than a genuine attempt at an explanation. |
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Post by Bruce on May 1, 2008 19:18:44 GMT 12
I read an article on the radar traces a few months ago during a Random internet trawl (looking for something, but the article was far more interesting!) and it was examining the possibility of "beam bending" caused by atmospheric conditions, causing certain surface suface features to appear on the traces. This was quite possible on the early 70s vintage radr equipment at hawkins hill, however it doesnt satisfactorily explain the very large trace that appearred when the object was allegedly following the Argosy.
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Post by corsair67 on May 1, 2008 19:21:35 GMT 12
Sukhois?  |
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Post by FlyNavy on May 1, 2008 19:53:41 GMT 12
"Beam Bending" is the basis of Australia's Jindalee radar. The phenomena (from warships anyway) was discovered in the 1960s by Oz destroyers in the Southern Ocean where conditions for such occurences were ideal. Sometimes ship's radars could get an overview of Tasmania for example. Think about it. ;D And beam me up Scottie. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindalee_Operational_Radar_Network |
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Post by stu on May 1, 2008 20:54:49 GMT 12
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Post by flyjoe180 on May 1, 2008 20:58:46 GMT 12
;D
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Post by Kenny on May 3, 2008 12:17:17 GMT 12
well it sounds to me new zealand should invest in a few combat jets and chase these sightings down ;D |
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Post by smithy on May 5, 2008 14:03:20 GMT 12
There was all sorts of UFO hoofluff going on around the late 70s. There were a lot of "sightings" round Gisborne and there was all this talk of a "mother ship" being up above. People were camped out on Gray's Hill to catch a glimpse of the little green men.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 5, 2008 14:23:52 GMT 12
I believe there were also a lot of drugs taken in that decade...
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Post by Bruce on May 5, 2008 14:25:59 GMT 12
Waikato airspace seems pretty busy with "flying things that havent been identified" - who needs an airshow - just camp out overnight!
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Post by FlyNavy on May 5, 2008 17:44:09 GMT 12
Just "Don't Look" (like "Just say NO to drugs" - Nancy Reagan) and these UFOs will go away. Believe me. ;D
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Post by stu on May 5, 2008 21:00:36 GMT 12
But wait, there's more ...... www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10508087Man asks Denver to prepare for AliensNew 7:17PM Monday May 05, 2008 DENVER - An American man who wants the city of Denver, Colorado, to be prepared for space aliens is proposing a commission to deal with the matter.
Jeff Peckman, from Denver, says the 18-member commission would form a strategy "dealing with issues related to the presence of extraterrestrial beings on Earth".
His proposal is scheduled to be discussed this week during a "review and comment" meeting.
Denver's assistant city attorney said he doesn't know what officials will ask about it.
The 54-year-old Peckman also needs 4000 signatures to get his proposal on a ballot next November.
- AP |
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Post by FlyNavy on May 16, 2008 13:28:55 GMT 12
YeahButNoButYeahButNO... Misunderstanding astronaut speak to go from life (that may not be intelligent to aliens flitting about in UFOs) to ALIENS out there is "one giant leap" for that gadling.com writer. But hey I had to really, really stwuggle - weally - to get to the end of that drivel. ;D Sorry DWIVEL.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 16, 2008 13:29:27 GMT 12
Please try to keep this thread on topic. It is not about supposed aliens, it's about a piece of New Zealand's aviation history.
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Post by mumbles on May 18, 2008 17:13:15 GMT 12
Please try to keep this thread on topic. It is not about supposed aliens, it's about a piece of New Zealand's aviation history. Thanks Dave. I've been staying out of this one as it has been adhering to the rule of serious discussion of UFO's being generally impossible without jokes about little green men or drugged up witnesses. Like I stated a few posts back, why does the automatic assumption exist that a UFO must be an alien spacecraft? Technically speaking, if a UFO is known to be an alien craft, its not unidentified is it? I agree that at least 90% or more of reported sightings have completely prosaic explanations, but I think there are enough genuinely unexplainable sightings to warrant serious investigation. I also think the Kaikoura lights fall squarely into the 10% category. Neither of the official reports (RNZAF or DSIR) credibly and plausibly explain all of the 1978 sightings. |
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