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Post by glideboy on Oct 23, 2008 17:35:08 GMT 12
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Post by FlyNavy on Oct 23, 2008 18:55:58 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 23, 2008 19:11:18 GMT 12
Again, what a wonderful collection of shots! Is that third Venom pilot (John) a very young John Scrimshaw - later famous as one of the original RNZAF Skyhawk pilots? Glideboy, that colour image of the Venoms lined up is possibly an actual colour photo that has just suffered a bit of colour change over the years? Some of the early generation colours do tend to change a little over time.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 23, 2008 19:54:51 GMT 12
Wonderful photos Paul! We really appreciate them mate.
Craig, John Scrimshaw is the only John listed in the list of pilots who served on Venoms in Stewart Boys' book so I'd say you're probably on the money there.
I reckon that is a hand-coloured photo but done very well. I'm sure I've seen it a few places before but only in black and white.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Oct 23, 2008 21:46:27 GMT 12
From the grouped photos - Miles Aerovan ZK-AWW was the Bill Hewitt one, ex-NZ1751. It went civil in late 1950 and crashed in February 1954. They actually tried aerial topdressing with it! The Harvard NZ1064 is listed as 'Cr on night flying training at Wigram 23Sep49, w/off - to INST146' so presumably this photo was taken at the time of the accident in 1949. Chipmunk ZK-APN was with the Wellington Aero Club from 1947 until it went into the sea at Lyall Bay in November 1950. Devon VIP Mk.1 NZ1802 was in use from early 1949, becoming a C.1 communications trainer in later life. It ended up civil as ZK-UFO. The Hastings is a bit hard to read - looks like NZ5802? Looks like an RNZAF official photograph. Skipping the next two... North American P51D-25-NT Mustang NZ2429 was BOC September 1951, and ended DBR in f/l Rangitikei Beach, 8mls from Ohakea, 27Feb53. Some parts are said to be at MoTAT. Dominie ZK-AKT would have been an NAC aircraft at the time this was taken. It went on to West Coast Airway, Southern Scenic and Tourist Air Travel. Brian Waugh was the pilot when it undershot a landing at Queenstown and ended up in the Shotover River April 1967.
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Post by shorty on Oct 23, 2008 23:31:44 GMT 12
That's the photo glideboy, always seen it as black and white, so think that is a hand coloured vesion (very well done though) Note the Lineys are wearing even less than we did on Canberras up there, at least we wore ear muffs! (and they have to go round the back and collect the asbestos blankets of the tailplanes.) In Canberra days that line was where 20 Sqdn Hunters lived. Guy nearest the camera is reputedly Lyndsay Hargreaves, was a sumpy, used to be involved with the NZ Confederate Air Force, worked at ANZ engine shop in late 80s, was killed in a microlight accident in North Canterbury around 1990 sometime.
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Post by 14liney on Oct 24, 2008 6:07:44 GMT 12
That's the photo glideboy, always seen it as black and white, so think that is a hand coloured vesion (very well done though) Shorty. I seem to recall that photo hanging in the line office at 14. Someone told me that the Venom had a habit on start up of occasionally spitting out a fireball hence the asbestos blanket.
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Post by avenger on Oct 24, 2008 14:40:09 GMT 12
The line up of Venoms starting was identified as "coloured", well, Barrie did just that with at least some of his photographs back in the late 50's when at Ohakea.
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Post by glideboy on Oct 24, 2008 15:50:36 GMT 12
The line up of Venoms starting was identified as "coloured", well, Barrie did just that with at least some of his photographs back in the late 50's when at Ohakea. Yeah true, Harvard 13 on page 1 is obviously hand coloured and I have the classic photo of Harvard's in formation with the pilot signatures which is also hand coloured. The Venom photo is really professionally done and very hard to tell.
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Post by shorty on Oct 24, 2008 19:48:17 GMT 12
That's the photo glideboy, always seen it as black and white, so think that is a hand coloured vesion (very well done though) Shorty. I seem to recall that photo hanging in the line office at 14. Someone told me that the Venom had a habit on start up of occasionally spitting out a fireball hence the asbestos blanket. I remember it hanging there too, also remember "The Bell"! (and the fry ups on night flying)
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Post by glideboy on Oct 24, 2008 21:21:45 GMT 12
Cyprus, Malta, Suez Rear: Vern, Truc, Pudd, Barrie, Buck, Dave, Fred, Baden Front: Shamus, Russ, Mac 14SQDN crest and that of Tanganika, a relic from a trip to East Africa Barrie's comment: "Boeing B29, obsolete to USAF, but to RAF the Washington was still secret" Mac's heap 'K' the most reliable kite in the SQDN Bugles ruptured duck with broken oleo Spitfires MK 16 being ferried from Israel to Burma 8,000 pounds each Ferry pilot Skyraider Refueling at Idris Suez A day out in the desert in a Centurian
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Post by glideboy on Oct 24, 2008 21:35:08 GMT 12
Back at home.... VIP Devon Self explanatory
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 25, 2008 12:13:09 GMT 12
Absolutely fantastic photos in that batch Paul!!
It's really great t see a decent square-on photo of the nose art on that Vampire that did the 1953 Tanganika tour.
It is fascinating to see that Burmese Spitfire passing through too.
And I never realised that the Vampires used in the Middle East had the No. 14 Squadron diamond 'chequerboards' applied to them too.
The photo of the No. 75 Squadron pilots with their captured prize is a historic moment too.
I think Colin and Fred are Colin Rudd and Fred Kinvig. Colin Rudd is a guide at the RNZAF Musuem these days.
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Post by phil82 on Oct 25, 2008 15:21:51 GMT 12
In that group photo, the "Mac" would be Mac Morgan, who was later the NZDEF attache in London as a Gp Capt. and is still around; I met him at a funeral recently. The "Baden" is Baden Powell, a Maori, who finished up as a Sqn Ldr, then went to teach at a Mormon University in Hawaii.
Baden Powell was a lovely man, and a real gentleman. I once witnessed a minor accident between him and another gentleman Sgt Jock Rowan at Ohakea when both were insisting they were to blame. I guess you just don't get that sort of discussion these days!
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Post by NZ1009 on Oct 25, 2008 19:23:12 GMT 12
Hi Paul, Many thanks for posting your images as they are of great interest to me - particularly any involving Harvards in the 1950s - 1960s. I was wondering if you have seen the following image (hope this works!): which appeared in WINGS, August 1996, p26 - credited to Peter Ford, with the caption 'Flt Lts Barrie Reid and Peter Bevan making a late afternoon departure from Birdlings Flat for Wigram in NZ1040'. There is also a photo of Barrie in the Airshow Display Teams section of this web-site and one also in Ted Arundels book - 'Sport of Kings' With regard to the photo of Barry Flavall in Harvard 1065, I was wondering if anyone can identify the small town beneath the wing - presumably somewhere between Wigram and Birdlings Flat? Also I have a particular interest in Harvard 1009 - do you have any photos of it or does it appear anywhere in the log-book? I was surprised at the number of flights shown in a single page of the (very neat) log-book. By my reckoning, 23 flights in 15 days elapsed (includes 3 days of no flying, presumably week-ends, so only flying on 12 days) totaling 24 hours 20 minutes of flight time in a Harvard - something we can only dream of now! Does anyone know what the entry 'DUAL INSTRUCTION : PURE' means in the DUTY column? Thanks again
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Post by shorty on Oct 25, 2008 20:40:07 GMT 12
Given the date of the photo I think it may be Halswell BUT (there's always a but) the double row of pylons has me a bit confused. It needs some one from that area to drive down and see if there are a double row of pylons with that kink on the road.
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Post by glideboy on Oct 25, 2008 21:00:39 GMT 12
Hi 1009 Barrie first flew NZ1009 on 20th Sept 1956. I think this is on the No 21 Flying Instructors Course - C.F.S Wigram. The flight details: Barrie PIC, 2nd pilot FG.Off. Caudwell, comment - Saftey Pilot, duration 1.00 However I thought that you would appreciate this page of his log book...seems that he flew 1009 out to Birdings with PLT.OFF Bevan and then 1040 back - possibly the day your photo was taken. Course: 'No 24 Course Air Weapons Camp. I cannot find any other reference in his log book where he flew with both PLT.Off Bevan and 1040. Re your question about NZ1065, Barrie has kept newspaper clippings relating to all his flying. I found this yesterday. Sorry I can't answer your question on 'Continuation-Pure'. I have a number of questions round Barrie's logbook entries which I need to collect together and ask someone who knows. Paul
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 25, 2008 21:26:31 GMT 12
Paul, any and every piece of data on his aerobatic team displays and practices are of genuine interest to me for my website section, and the cutting above is very much appreciated. Any others like it would be most welcome, thanks. www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/Airshow_Display_Teams%20Home.htmThe Gisborne displays were on the 17th and 18th of August 1962. Are you able to please supply more details of the November 1962 South Island Tour please? As for questions you have, this is probably the best place to ask as someone is bound to know, or know who to ask.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 25, 2008 21:32:15 GMT 12
I've just realised that those Cyprus Vampires had black anti-glare panels on their noses to stop the sun reflecting. I don't think ours ever wore that in NZ did they?
Also does anyone know what the marking is high on the Devon's tail?
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Post by shorty on Oct 25, 2008 21:41:23 GMT 12
If you are referring to 1801 the marking is the De Hav badge. It's just visible on 02 as well. It also appears on the Beaver when it was painted as NZ 6001 (i.e. before the tail assembly was repainted.).
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