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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 14, 2008 15:23:15 GMT 12
Those two machines were ex- fieldair Freight machines that eventually went to cambodia. ZK-BBJ was one, Cant remember the other one.... ZK-BBJ (the former NAC DC-3 Skyliner "Gisborne") was Fieldair's last operational DC-3 before being converted into a freighter for Fieldair Freight, hauling parcels for NZ Railways under the Speedlink brandname. As I posted in a thread on one of the other messageboards yesterday, a few weeks before it was retired from topdressing, I managed to bludge a ride for a few superphosphate-spreading loads out of Gisborne Airport with Bruce Thompson, the last DC-3 dung-dusting pilot. He was spreading super up the Waimata Valley that day. ZK-BBJ and another ex Fieldair Freight Dakota (I can't recall off the top of my head what the registration was, but give me a few days and I'll dig the info out) were purchased by Morris Catering who used them as part of a catering contract with the UN in either Sudan or Somalia (not sure which off the top of my head — another bit of info I'll have to dig out unless someone else beats me to it). The owner of the company was shot and killed by rebels and the company folded. The two DC-3s were abandoned. |
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Post by Damon on Nov 14, 2008 15:45:13 GMT 12
I believe the other DC-3 was ZK-AMR,last noted in Harare in June 1996. Check www.ruudleeuw.com/tmp-zkbbj-pilgrim.htm for more details on BBJ. I dont think that these aircraft were really part of the AFC. |
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Post by Peter Lewis on Nov 14, 2008 17:01:03 GMT 12
If the Avro 504 that crashed was G-ECKE in the UK then it wasn't an AFC aircraft. True - it's a James Slade/Peter Jackson deal. ZK-AMR was an ex-RAAF machine A65-21/ VHEWB/VH-PWM bought to NZ by Alan McGreavy for Classic Air Ltd. Ownership was transferred to North Shore Helicopters Ltd. who set it up for Morris Catering Ltd. and their UN contract in Cambodia & Somalia. ZK-BBJ was ex-RNZAF NZ2552 and then NZNZC/Luggate/Fieldair/Feildair Freight before similarly going to North Shore Helicopters Ltd. for the same useage. They both left NZ in May 1993. The only contact I can see there with AFC is BBJ's lease by Luggate Game Packers Ltd. (a Tim Wallis company) 1970-1971. |
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Post by slackie on Nov 15, 2008 7:56:25 GMT 12
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Nov 15, 2008 19:56:29 GMT 12
Wow, that's quite impressive!
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Post by shane on Dec 1, 2008 9:44:05 GMT 12
Wow, they made it look really accurate i thought it was a real one when i first looked at it . They have posted an update showing its tail feathers getting airbourne.
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Post by baz62 on Dec 3, 2008 15:15:09 GMT 12
If the Avro 504 that crashed was G-ECKE in the UK then it wasn't an AFC aircraft. True - it's a James Slade/Peter Jackson deal. ZK-AMR was an ex-RAAF machine A65-21/ VHEWB/VH-PWM bought to NZ by Alan McGreavy for Classic Air Ltd. Ownership was transferred to North Shore Helicopters Ltd. who set it up for Morris Catering Ltd. and their UN contract in Cambodia & Somalia. ZK-BBJ was ex-RNZAF NZ2552 and then NZNZC/Luggate/Fieldair/Feildair Freight before similarly going to North Shore Helicopters Ltd. for the same useage. They both left NZ in May 1993. The only contact I can see there with AFC is BBJ's lease by Luggate Game Packers Ltd. (a Tim Wallis company) 1970-1971. You mean NZ3552  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 14:35:04 GMT 12
If the Avro 504 that crashed was G-ECKE in the UK then it wasn't an AFC aircraft. True - it's a James Slade/Peter Jackson deal. So, which replica Avro was the AFC machine? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 10:18:16 GMT 12
I did some research over the weekend (largely based on Geoff Goodall's Warbirds Directory) and I've managed to come up with the following - a * denotes the aircraft/project never came to NZ while under Alpine ownership. Corrections and additions most welcome!
*Avro 504k (AJD Engineering replica) - details unknown
CCF Harvard/Zero replica "288" - was airworthy as N700JR with JR Consulting NV LLC, Midland TX, USA but struck off register 04/05/2019 (owner killed in Sea Fury crash 18/02/2014)
Curtiss P-40K "NZ3108" - airworthy as N4436J with Henry J "Butch" Schroeder, Danville IL, USA
de Havilland DH.82a Tiger Moth NZ1459 - under restoration at Mandeville for GJ Levitt, Cherrybrook VIC, Australia
de Havilland DH.83 Fox Moth ZK-AEK - airworthy as CF-YPM with 2293339 Ontario Corporation (Vintage Wings of Canada), Gatineau ONT, Canada
de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk "RUC-G/WB868" - airworthy as ZK-PTN with Wairarapa Flying Tigers, Masterton
Douglas DC-3C ZK-AWP - airworthy with Air Chathams
Focke-Wulf FW-190A-8 WkNr5415 - shipped to US 11/1998, possibly sold to German collector
*Grumman (General Motors) FM-2 Wildcat N49JC - under restoration to fly at Duxford as G-KINL for Thomas W Harris, Leighton Buzzard, UK
Grumman TBM-3E Avenger "NZ2518" - airworthy as ZK-TBE with Brendon Deere/ITL Aviation at Ohakea
Hawker Hurricane Mk.IIa P3351 - airworthy as F-AZXR with Jan Roozen, France
*Hawker Sea Hurricane MkX AE977 - airworthy as G-CHTK with Warbird Experiences Ltd, Biggin Hill, UK
Hawker Hurricane MkIIc BH229 - parts source for P3351?
*Hawker Sea Hurricane MkXIIa BW881 - airworthy as N54FH with Flying Heritage & Combat Armour Museum, Everett WA, USA
Hispano Buchon/Bf109G-10 "2+-" - airworthy? as D-FDME with Flugmuseum Messerschmitt, Manching, Germany
*Hispano Buchon N9938 - airworthy as G-AWHK with Propshop Ltd, Duxford
Junkers Ju-87R-2 Stuka WkNr5856 - crash diorama at Deutsches Technikmuseum, Berlin, Germany
Junkers Ju-87R-4 Stuka WkNr6234 - restoration to airworthy with Flying Heritage & Combat Armour Museum, Everett WA, USA
*Messerschmitt Bf109E-3 G-BYDS - airworthy as N342FH with Flying Heritage & Combat Armour Museum, Everett WA, USA
Messerschmitt Bf110C-1 WkNr3084/Bf110E-2 WkNr4502 - parts source for restoration of WkNr5052, possibly stored Icarus Workshops
Messerschmitt Bf110C-4 WkNr3235 - parts source for restoration of WkNr5052
Messerschmitt Bf110F-2/Trop WkNr5052 - static display at Deutsches Technikmuseum, Berlin, Germany
Nakajima Ki43 Hayabusa/Oscar ZK-OSC - static display as N750N with Flying Heritage & Combat Armour Museum, Everett WA, USA
North American Harvard MkIII ZK-ENE - airworthy with Harvard 66 Ltd, Mt Maunganui
North American P-51D Mustang "Miss Torque" - airworthy as N151AM with Pamela Marie LLC, Arlington VA, USA
North American P-51D Mustang "NZ2415" - airworthy with Warbird Adventure Rides Ltd, Drury
North American P-51D Mustang NZ2427 - under restoration to airworthy (TF-51D configuration) as G-CLNV with Graham Peacock/Fighter Aviation Engineering, Dunmow, Essex, UK
Pitts (Aerotek) S-2A Special ZK-PTO - crashed 15/12/2000
Polikarpov I-16 "Red 9" - airworthy as D-EPRN with Wolfgang Frey, Germany
Polikarpov I-16 "Red 34" - airworthy? as RA-1561G with private owner, Russia
Polikarpov I-16 "White 45" - potential return to airworthy as N30425 with Kermit Weeks, Polk City FL, USA
Polikarpov I-16 "Red 4" - airworthy? as N7459 with Flying Heritage & Combat Armour Museum, Everett WA, USA
Polikarpov I-16 "White 28" - airworthy? as N1639JP with Jerry Yagen, Virginia Beach VA, USA
Polikarpov I-16 "White 39" - airworthy as EC-JRK with Fundacion Infante de Orleans, Cuatro Vientos, Spain
Polikarpov I-153 "Red 16" - airworthy? as N153JP with Jerry Yagen, Virginia Beach VA, USA
Polikarpov I-153 "Red 10" - with Vadim Zadorozhny Technical Museum, Moscow
Polikarpov I-153 "White 75" - airworthy as EC-LJL with Fundacio Parc Aeronautic de Catalunya, Sabadell, Spain
Royal Aircraft Factory SE.5a (AJD Engineering replica) - static display with Warbirds and Wheels Museum, Wanaka
*Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Vc AR614 - airworthy as N614VC with Flying Heritage & Combat Armour Museum, Everett WA, USA
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.XVI TB863 - airworthy as VH-XVI with Temora Aviation Museum, Temora NSW, Australia
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.XIV NH799 - airworthy with Murray Miers/The Chariots Of Fire Fighter Collection, Omaka
Vought F4U-1A Corsair "NZ5201" - was on static display with Wings Of A Dream Museum, Sao Carlos, Brazil but museum closed 02/02/2016 (owner says he wants to reopen elsewhere)
Westland Scout AH1 XT646 - crashed Mangapiko 09/03/1999, remains with Don Subritzky, Dairy Flat
Westland Scout AH1 XT649 - crashed Gisborne 12/03/2003
Westland Scout AH1 XV128 - crashed New Plymouth? 30/09/1999, parts with Don Subritzky, Dairy Flat
Westland Scout AH1 XV129 - noted stored Stratford by Helis.com 26/03/2015
Westland Scout AH1 XW282 - crashed Gisborne 13/03/2002
Yakovlev (Flight Magic) Yak-3UA ZK-YAK - airworthy? as N17ZA with William S Shepherd, Sequim WA, USA
Yakovlev Yak-50 ZK-YAC - airworthy? VH-YAY with Matthew Peter Gould Coughlin, Berry NSW, Australia
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Post by vultee43 on Sept 8, 2020 21:15:26 GMT 12
Wow (excuse the pun) I didn't realise how many aircraft they had over the years. What a huge influence and resource for the Warbird world. Very lucky to have flown three of those.
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Post by nuuumannn on Sept 14, 2020 18:02:53 GMT 12
Excellent work, Zac. A few of my piccies of some of the survivors that I snapped during the last couple of years.  ZK-AWPAt Ardmore in 2015.  Hurricane static-4At Flying Legends 2018.  2907 Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar Hurricane D-FEHDAs D-FEHD at North Weald, 1994.  DSC_1061 Nearest the camera with friends at Flying Legends two years ago.  StukaIt's undergoing restoration in the Biggin Hill Heritage Hangars. I have photos of it there, but the owner has requested that pictures of it not be posted online.  Europe 270  S.E.5a Wanaka  TB863 WanakaWanaka many years ago. A few piccies of the Polis the same year in my collection of old 35mm photos. |
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Post by planecrazy on Sept 14, 2020 21:11:48 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 22:12:18 GMT 12
Lovely photos, gents! Over the weekend I found four more to add: de Havilland Tiger Moth ZK-CCH, now with Sots Ltd of Cromwell, was with Biplane Adventures 02/10/1998-24/07/2001 de Havilland Tiger Moth ZK-BUO of Wanaka Helicopters/Simon Spencer-Bower was operated by Biplane Adventures at one point (I don't know the timeframe) de Havilland Dominie ZK-AKY, long-time Mandeville resident, was also with Biplane Adventures 02/10/1995-18/12/1997 Hispano Buchon C.4K-172, then G-BJZZ and currently N109GU, was to be bought from Robs Lamplough in 1985 and converted to a Bf.109G-2 but the sale wasn't completed; reported on in Aeroplane Monthly's Feb 1986 issue It's undergoing restoration in the Biggin Hill Heritage Hangars. I have photos of it there, but the owner has requested that pictures of it not be posted online. Crossed wires/confusion here - WkNr1342/G-BYDS/N342FH was the Alpine machine that is now with FHCAM; WkNr3579/N81562/CF-EML/G-CIPB was the first warbird Emil to fly and is now at Biggin Hill. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Sept 16, 2020 4:55:35 GMT 12
Excellent research, Zac. Great stuff. Oops, wrong Bf 109.  ZK-AKYi |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 20:37:04 GMT 12
One thing that's confusing me is that ZK-JTL, NZ's sole flying Cessna A-37 Dragonfly, is listed in Gerard S Morris and Warren P Russell's Wanaka Warbirds as an "associate" aircraft. None of my normal sources have been able to shed any light on the Wallis/Alpine connection with that aircraft. Any ideas? Excellent research, Zac. Great stuff. Oops, wrong Bf 109. Thanks Grant! It really does get confusing with the multiple Buchons and Bf110s, not to mention the Polis!! The biggest headaches have been narrowing down ownership trails for the lighter stuff. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Sept 22, 2020 14:13:39 GMT 12
Hi Zac, that's interesting about the A-37. I think that's the one that lived in Tauranga - dunno where it is now, but I know someone who used to help look after it there. He might be able to shed some light, or not...
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Post by planecrazy on Sept 22, 2020 14:58:58 GMT 12
ZK JTL was the one that crossed the Tasman in 90's to participate in the Tasmanian Skyrace against other jets, I am sure it was owned at that time by a chap from the Coromandel? So at some stage she was owned by the AFC? Here she is refuelling during the ferry flight on Lord Howe Island, if you zoom in you can see the masking taped rego on the fin! In 2005 I visited Ardmore on a family holiday and she was in a hangar there for sure. I do remember she used all of the 3,000ft runway to land and nearly too much of it to get off!  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 22, 2020 15:52:34 GMT 12
There is or was at least one other Cessna Dragonfly jet in NZ, I saw it sitting on the tarmac at Ardmore once years back, but I have no idea who owned it. It was in bare metal and looked quite non-airworthy.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 22, 2020 15:54:58 GMT 12
I have messaged Gerrard Morris to see if he can shed light on it, Zac.
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Post by aeromuzz on Sept 22, 2020 16:01:45 GMT 12
ZK-JTL is still registered with "Jet Trainers Limited" in Papakura but the last time I saw it was in the back of a hangar in Tauranga. The last time I saw it fly was at a Tauranga Airshow about 7 or 8(ish) years ago.
The bare metal one at Ardmore sat in pieces at the side of a hangar for several years and I believe was eventually sold overseas.
I also heard a rumour of a third one at Ardmore at about the same time, locked away in a hangar but never saw any evidence of it.
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