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Post by beagle on Oct 15, 2009 8:35:46 GMT 12
whats happening with the all the trucks, Mercedes ones. wern't they due for replacement soon. or are they just going to get another refurbishment
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Post by 30sqnatc on Oct 15, 2009 19:03:52 GMT 12
whats happening with the all the trucks, Mercedes ones. wern't they due for replacement soon. or are they just going to get another refurbishment Replacement  - they only 29 years young  |
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Post by Kenny on Oct 15, 2009 19:34:23 GMT 12
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Post by caromeg on Oct 15, 2009 19:45:52 GMT 12
We should swap them for Cobra Gunships
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Post by phil on Oct 15, 2009 20:00:12 GMT 12
We should swap them for Cobra Gunships No we shouldn't. We are retiring the Iroquois from service , which is the same technology airframe wise as the cobra, ie 1960s. (actually there are a lot of commonalities I believe). We are doing that because it has reached the end of it's useful life, so the last thing we want is a bunch of old, pretty well obsolescent, and increasingly difficult to support, airframes. |
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Post by the_flying_surfer on Oct 15, 2009 20:55:22 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 15, 2009 22:24:56 GMT 12
We should swap them for Cobra Gunships No we shouldn't. We are retiring the Iroquois from service , which is the same technology airframe wise as the cobra, ie 1960s. (actually there are a lot of commonalities I believe). We are doing that because it has reached the end of it's useful life, so the last thing we want is a bunch of old, pretty well obsolescent, and increasingly difficult to support, airframes. Actually, some of the AH-1Z Vipers will be new-build. The engines and rotor systems are of course new.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1Z_Viper |
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Post by phil on Oct 16, 2009 5:48:46 GMT 12
New Build, still old technology airframes.
The SH2G Super seasprites are all 'new build', but are not 'modern'. As an example the Navair for the cargo hook, and the one for the winch are still dated 1968.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Oct 16, 2009 6:46:14 GMT 12
Though the LAVs were not frequently deployed, they provided a capability that the army might need and "it is hard to imagine an army that does not have protected mobility". Using that logic "might" NZ also not one day need an Air Combat Capability?... it is also hard to imagine an Air Force (and Army!) that does not have projected Combat Air Support, but that is what we have thanks to these dim whit politicians! |
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Post by flyinkiwi on Oct 16, 2009 7:49:59 GMT 12
Time to swap one of our Herc's for  ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Oct 16, 2009 16:30:21 GMT 12
Time to swap one of our Herc's for As the swapped LAVs depart, the Quartermaster will be removing the 25mm cannons and putting them in piles 'one for the Navy OPV, one for 40 Sqn, one for Navy IPV, one for Air 40 Sqn ......' ;D ;D |
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Post by caromeg on Oct 16, 2009 21:59:05 GMT 12
@ Phil, My comment was glib and not meant to be serious. My point was we are re-enforcing failure with the the LAV and should be thinking afresh on effects required by govt. I'm sure they're doing the math and this would be good news, but it is old news. A mixed fleet was recommended years ago by RNZAC but the only variant available was the LAV 2 which of course is ANZAC sustainable, mixed variant for the last 15 yrs and can swim. With regards to all the mil eye candy here I think we all will get a shock if we look at the diminishing capabilities and effects that are affordable and sustainable to NZ in the Long Run.
At some point we are going to have to suck a big Kumera and realise that we will need a more ANZAC approach in order to keep in the game. I know this statement can open the tirades on poor Aussie acquisitions and projects but you have to think long term in defence not the next ten yrs.
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Post by caromeg on Oct 16, 2009 22:00:34 GMT 12
I like the AC-130. Nice effects for the SWP. How grumpy would the crabs be if they lost there A-4 to re-equip with these?
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Post by skyhawkdon on Oct 19, 2009 9:33:13 GMT 12
I like the AC-130. Nice effects for the SWP. How grumpy would the crabs be if they lost there A-4 to re-equip with these? ... no we (and you!) lost the A-4s so you could have 105 LAVs. Don't you mean "How grumpy would the Green Machine be if we swapped the artillery for these?" ;D |
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Post by caromeg on Oct 20, 2009 19:40:45 GMT 12
Not grumpy at all, if you ask US troops what they rely upon the most with regards to air support its:
AC-130 - owns he night
Predator/Reaper surgical
A-10. - owns the day designed for the job to a T
I know that this is the attitude of our troops who use this gear also.
helicopters are also gaining credibility (esp UK Apache)
Many have known for some time that 120 mm mortars could do the 105 howitzer effect. It will be interesting to see if the Arty are on the chopping block in the current review.
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- they only 29 years young 
