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Post by SEAN on Nov 9, 2009 12:07:56 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 9, 2009 13:09:42 GMT 12
Fantastic. At first glance in the first shot the orange is so bright it looks photoshopped compared with the rest of the photo, but it's not. Very effective that dayglo paint.
Isn't that crest the one for Canterbury province? It has the four ships of the first settlers at the top, the ram left and the wheat sheaf right, plus the sea at the bottom.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 9, 2009 13:31:16 GMT 12
On second thoughts, it does not seem to be Canterbury's Coat of Arms, though that does have similar symbols in common. Maybe it's the coat of arms for a Canterbury-based organisation?
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Post by shorty on Nov 9, 2009 14:09:04 GMT 12
It is the shield of the City of Christchurch. (not the full coat of arms)
4 ships at the top, Sheep and the Wheat Sheaf for the major agricultural pursuits.
On the Chevron is a Bishops Mitre and the 2 wavy blue lines represent the Avon and Heathcote Rivers which flow through Christchurch.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 9, 2009 17:27:41 GMT 12
Thanks Shorty, I have a feeling this same shield has come up before here, on a Harvard or Devon tail in an old photo.
What was the criteria and process for an aircraft to get permission to wear a city's coat of arms or shield like this I wonder?
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Post by shorty on Nov 9, 2009 18:16:28 GMT 12
Around 1957 the "Freedom of the City" (the right of service personnel to march through the steets, drums beating, bands playing, bayonets fixed, etc, etc) was conferred on the following RNZAF Stations; Whenuapai (by the City of Auckland), Ohakea (by the City of Palmerston North), Woodbourne (by the Borough of Blenheim) and Wigram (by the City of Christchurch. Aircraft based at Whenuapai (Freighter, DC6, Harvard and Devon), Woodbourne and Wigram (Harvard and Devon)wore the Shield or Coat of Arms of "their" City (or Borough, in the case of Woodbourne), I have only seen Ohakea-based Harvards marked with that for Palmerston North.
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Post by baz62 on Nov 10, 2009 13:52:18 GMT 12
Never seen that scheme before. Were they trialling new schemes for the Devons when they did trials on Harvard NZ1087 I wonder?
Is that Wigram?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2009 14:04:46 GMT 12
My guess is it's Wigram down the No. 7 Hangar end
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Post by baz62 on Nov 10, 2009 14:08:22 GMT 12
Yes I thought that too Dave.
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Post by obiwan27 on Nov 10, 2009 19:11:32 GMT 12
What an awesome paint scheme I love the blend of dayglo orange from the spinners and along the cowls!!!
10/10
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Post by tbf25o4 on Nov 13, 2009 7:34:51 GMT 12
Looking at the general markings on NZ1821 I would suggest it was a trial scheme
around the time dayglo was being introduced. Interestingly 21 was a comms devon and was probably the station hack at that time.
As for the city crests, when we were promoting the musuem fund raising we had a display in Cathedral square and I arranged for some Harvard fins ex-weedons with the crests on to be on display.
The Mayor and then base commander Geoffery Hubbard asked me questions about the fins and when I advised Hubbard that Air Board Orders still allowed one of each type of aircraft base at Wigram to carry the city crest, he directed that an Airtrainer was to carry such. A city crest transfer was applied to a trainer (unfortunately which one escapes me at this time)
Paul
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Post by phil82 on Nov 13, 2009 12:22:46 GMT 12
Looking at the general markings on NZ1821 I would suggest it was a trial scheme around the time dayglo was being introduced. Interestingly 21 was a comms devon and was probably the station hack at that time. As for the city crests, when we were promoting the musuem fund raising we had a display in Cathedral square and I arranged for some Harvard fins ex-weedons with the crests on to be on display. The Mayor and then base commander Geoffery Hubbard asked me questions about the fins and when I advised Hubbard that Air Board Orders still allowed one of each type of aircraft base at Wigram to carry the city crest, he directed that an Airtrainer was to carry such. A city crest transfer was applied to a trainer (unfortunately which one escapes me at this time) Paul THat dayglo colour was once flavour of the month with applications other than aircraft! Someone, somewhere, decided that all crash/fire vehicles would be painted, very expensively as it happened because it was a two-pot application, in what came to be know as "Nipple Pink'. It, like the paint, didn't last. |
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Post by beagle on Nov 13, 2009 16:11:37 GMT 12
Looking at the general markings on NZ1821 I would suggest it was a trial scheme around the time dayglo was being introduced. Interestingly 21 was a comms devon and was probably the station hack at that time. As for the city crests, when we were promoting the musuem fund raising we had a display in Cathedral square and I arranged for some Harvard fins ex-weedons with the crests on to be on display. The Mayor and then base commander Geoffery Hubbard asked me questions about the fins and when I advised Hubbard that Air Board Orders still allowed one of each type of aircraft base at Wigram to carry the city crest, he directed that an Airtrainer was to carry such. A city crest transfer was applied to a trainer (unfortunately which one escapes me at this time) Paul NZ1930 had it on it's tail fin when I was there in 1980  |
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Post by shorty on Nov 15, 2009 17:52:23 GMT 12
Paul, was that Air Board Order amended after it was initially issued? Looking at photos of aircraft at Whenuapai I see that all the Hastings carried a crest, as did the DC 6 and at least 3 of the Freighters (07,11, and 12)
To me it would seem unusual that Wigram would have different rules and be limited to one of each type, especially as in my time as NCO i/c American Skin Bay at 1 RD there were numerous Harvard fins with crests on them in the bay.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Nov 17, 2009 7:30:42 GMT 12
Hi Shorty,
I believe it was the ABO that I can recall was an amended one circa 1970 so could have well been changed to avoid a lot of paintwork on each aircraft (days before transfers) but still meeting the desire to have representation of affiliation with the local city
Paul
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Post by barf on Nov 25, 2010 9:05:59 GMT 12
This was indeed a trial scheme. It was put forward by the Wigram Base Commander at the time, T J MacLean de Lange.
It was flown to Wellington to be appraised by the chiefs at the time. They "hated" it and it was returned to Wigram and soon repainted in a more sedate scheme.
Shame.
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Post by jaybee on Nov 25, 2010 17:44:11 GMT 12
Hi all; for what its worth I have the remains of NZ
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Post by jaybee on Nov 25, 2010 17:46:06 GMT 12
Sorry, hit the wrong button
Anyhow I have the remains of NZ 1821 and am restoring the cockpit section for display. It will be re-painted in the trial scheme being mentioned.
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Post by baronbeeza on May 3, 2014 18:31:22 GMT 12
Looking at the general markings on NZ1821 I would suggest it was a trial scheme around the time dayglo was being introduced. Interestingly 21 was a comms devon and was probably the station hack at that time. As for the city crests, when we were promoting the musuem fund raising we had a display in Cathedral square and I arranged for some Harvard fins ex-weedons with the crests on to be on display. The Mayor and then base commander Geoffery Hubbard asked me questions about the fins and when I advised Hubbard that Air Board Orders still allowed one of each type of aircraft base at Wigram to carry the city crest, he directed that an Airtrainer was to carry such. A city crest transfer was applied to a trainer (unfortunately which one escapes me at this time) Paul NZ1930 had it on it's tail fin when I was there in 1980 We just had another pic of the transfer on the tail of NZ1930 appear on another thread. rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/18009/photos-george-jaunzemis?page=4Beagle seemed to think his photo was taken in 1980. That may be the case but I can recall the discussion about the fleet leader having the decal, this was in relation to NZ2781, the F27 at Wigram. That would have been more likely 1983. It may well be possible that the GD's at NATS took a while to realise that a transfer could adorn a Friendship as well. Did the CT4 get the decal at Ohakea ? |
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Post by davidd on May 5, 2014 15:05:32 GMT 12
Waiting for somebody to point out the obvious, but I finally have lost patience! The shield-shaped device on the Devon was officially known as a crest (usually derived from the full "Coat of Arms"), and the latter is of course the one adorning the Airtrainer. Amazingly all the Harvardds and Devons at Wigram were hand-painted with these devices in 1957, with Bill Fitzharding Jones being one of the painters involved - perhaps he did them all! Apparently they called for quotations for supply of the decals, but as the numbers were so small, they reckoned it would be cheaper to hand-paint them! Obviously the safety & surface trade was somewhat over-manned in those days.
This is not the first time that somebody has managed to confuse the origins of the Christchurch City coat of arms/crest. The late Ross Macpherson wrote a caption in the second (1987) edition of the little book on subject of RNZAF aircraft (in which I had a hand) and in this Ross averred that this was the crest of the University of Canterbury (where he earned his BA many years previously). The first time I saw this caption was in the printed book on page 5 - just too late! Regardless, without Ross, this useful little book would never have eventuated.
David D
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