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Post by diamant on Oct 28, 2010 15:17:24 GMT 12
Dear all
I was looking for an interesting Magister M14 to build when I found in the book Aircraft of the Royal New Zealand Air Force (page 56) that two were impressed by the RNZAF (RZ585 and RZ586).
In the book there is only one photo and I wonder if some of you have further information and more reference material.
I will appreciate your help on this issue.
Many thanks in advance
Kind regards
Santiago
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 28, 2010 20:11:04 GMT 12
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Post by shorty on Oct 28, 2010 21:59:43 GMT 12
Santiago, the serials were NZ585 and NZ 586 not RZ as you wrote.
All New Zealand military aircraft have serials beginning with NZ (for New Zealand)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 28, 2010 22:07:02 GMT 12
Well.. most do anyway Shorty.
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Post by diamant on Oct 29, 2010 4:44:34 GMT 12
Hi guys
Many thanks.
Yes, you are absolutely right (NZ instead of RZ).
It was too late when I posted the message. :-)
As regard the camouflage scheme, Were the colours Dark Earth/Dark Green with yellow undersides?
Any idea about the pattern that we should follow for the DE/DG?.
I can see only one side of the fuselage. Is there more photos of these aircrafts?
Many thanks in advance
Kind regards
Santiago
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 29, 2010 10:10:12 GMT 12
Yes it would have had Dark Earth and Dark Green Uppers, probably in the standard RAF pattern for such aircraft, whatever that was. But as to the undersides that would have depended on the role. When with No 2 EFTS it's almost definate that NZ585 would have eventually worn yellow undersides, and may have been yellow all over. When the aircraft that formed No. 2 EFTS first arrived at Bell Block. New Plymouth they all wore the colours they had before they were impressed, with ZK- registration painted out and roundels added. So there's another possible scheme for you if you can find out the prewar colours of these aircraft. they flew like that for some time before being repainted into standard schemes. It must have been a colourful unit.
I am not sure if the yellow undersides would have been retained when NZ585 went to No. 1 (General Reconnaissance) Ssquadron as that was an operational bomber reconnaissance squadron flying Hudsons. However it would have been on the unit as the instrument flying trainer and as a hack, and in the circuit at Whenuapai were many Tiger Moths from 1 EFTS and a lot of other aircraft so perhaps the yellow was retainted for safety reasons. Too little seems to be recorded about these light aircraft on bomber squadrons.
I know that No. 2 (GR) Squadron had a Moth Minor which was for some reason overall black.
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Post by shorty on Oct 29, 2010 14:41:34 GMT 12
Well.. most do anyway Shorty. I wanted to give a simple explanation as, judging from his name and his email address, I surmised he was an overseas member and thus didn't want any confusion to complicate things. |
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Post by diamant on Oct 29, 2010 15:51:55 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 29, 2010 20:31:06 GMT 12
Actually on looking out the source of that photo of the 'black' Moth minor, which is page 81 of Brendon Deere's book Military Wings Volume Two, I'm wondering if it is actually black or is it just dark camouflage and poor light in the photo? What do others think? I may have made an error.
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Post by shorty on Oct 29, 2010 21:01:55 GMT 12
Or is it a yellow aircraft photographed on orthochromatic film?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 29, 2010 22:11:20 GMT 12
It has Sky undersides though so probably not yellow.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 14, 2010 8:47:43 GMT 12
Brendon Deere has kindly looked out his original print of the photo and it turns out the Moth Minor is indeed in a standard camouflage, and not black as it looks in my book version. Sorry for the mis-information. It shows how things can get construed.
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