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Post by Ykato on Dec 21, 2010 10:59:24 GMT 12
Army salaries under fire in Deane cost review The military get paid too much and get allowances that should have been abolished two years ago, according to a report prepared for the Government's Defence White Paper. Military personnel get an average of $23,000 or 30 per cent more than other public servants generally and this is not justified, says the value-for-money review by former Telecom boss Rod Deane. Full Item Located Here: www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4478932/Army-salaries-under-fire |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 21, 2010 12:13:19 GMT 12
Rod Deane gets paid too much!
Other public servants don't have to sleep in the mud and ice, or be shot at, or yelled at, or do any of the other uncomfortable things the Army doe to keep the other shiny bum public servants safe and in their jobs.
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Post by strikemaster on Dec 21, 2010 13:02:51 GMT 12
According to the RNZAF recruiting website that's codswollop. Completely agree with you too, Dave.
Maybe management get too much. What's Rod Deane earn?
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Post by Chris F on Dec 21, 2010 14:40:06 GMT 12
That artical of Stuff.co.nz paints a very bleek future if you are in the Defence Force...you might have New equipment being allowed for in the next 30 years but the entire Defence will pay for it with great cost cutting and personel cuts across the board.
I cannot beleive the 757 use is now under the microscope...and there are concerns about the running costs of the New NH-90's with the rising cost of fuel...surely these things are fully investigated before purchase....I think there needs to be far more open accountability from within the military with any equipment purchases.
Another area for concern would be with the rumour of the purchase of the ex RAN Seasprites...with New Zealands poor military purchase history one would think we should stay well clear of such lemons.
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Post by strikemaster on Dec 21, 2010 16:54:39 GMT 12
Or we could simply increase spending from the 1% gdp it is.
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Post by phil on Dec 21, 2010 22:54:19 GMT 12
Well they've been cutting back allowances already - cost me quite a lot this year in allowances that I took a posting to get, then after I started the job the allowances vanished.
Cutting anything further will certainly add to their attrition rate.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Dec 21, 2010 23:05:58 GMT 12
Rod Deane gets paid too much! Other public servants don't have to sleep in the mud and ice, or be shot at, or yelled at, or do any of the other uncomfortable things the Army doe to keep the other shiny bum public servants safe and in their jobs. Actually the Police do and they get paid even more. I wonder if any journalist will do some digging and compare NZDF salaries with, for instance, the UK and Australia. We are paid peanuts compared with their defence personnel. |
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Post by oggie2620 on Dec 22, 2010 6:45:16 GMT 12
Perhaps Rod Deane ought to do a job swap with one of the guys on the front line before he says something like that. I agree with you totally Dave he needs to as our boys say "man up and go do something useful."
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Post by lesterpk on Dec 22, 2010 6:57:15 GMT 12
Wewere warned a week or so ago that there would be drip feed out of the value for money report over the Xmas break and not to read too much into it. Some of the idea are just that and not going to be taken up.
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Post by Chris F on Dec 22, 2010 11:59:59 GMT 12
With a 15 billion debt are growing I would hate to be a public servant.....those jobs and services provided will come under the microscope with great detail to reduce the country's growing debt.
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Post by phil on Dec 22, 2010 13:20:31 GMT 12
I don't recall an 18 % rise in remuneration, what I recall was the our super, which previously had NOT been included as part of our total remuneration, was added to create our 'TFR' figure (Total Fixed Remuneration). Oddly enough at 17.9%.
So it wasn't an increase at all, it was simply including the money we had always been paid and making it a more visible component. On paper it looked like a whopping pay rise but it was simply changing the way the pay was structured.
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Post by hawkeye on Jan 15, 2011 9:03:45 GMT 12
Based on this precident the CDF (and I suppose any delegated staff) is now able to conduct similar cost benefit analysis of other companies. After all military war fighting is just business isnt it? (cynical statement)
I think some salaries are too high no doubt. If you cut the salaries of very junior staff it would solve most of the booze debt and car problems especially with sailors and soldiers. The crunch time comes with 28-33 yrs old who at CPLs and want to get married and settle down have kids.
I dont have too much sympathy with junior staff as for the amount of time I spent sorting out bad budgeting and niff naff crap that was born about by them getting fundametally too much money at 17-19.
Then there is other side of the coin where we wre trying to keep specialist staff. The biggest problem there s poor leadership, poor resources and poor pay.
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