Foreign boats illegally fishing in NZ's EEZ

[obiwan27]

www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/4860317/Nth-Korean-boats-blacklisted-for-illegal-fishing

Forum members may or may not have seen the above article on Stuff, in newspapers or on TV news recently.

The two vessels caught out by an Orion illegally fishing in the Ross Sea have been blacklisted by the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources.

"The Government had reported its findings to the commission in a move to help ensure its 25 members did not allow the ships into their ports and stop the import of any fish caught by them."

Oooh you've been 'blacklisted' - big deal, what about the hundreds of other countries who are not part of this bloody commission?

"The ministers said new naval Off-shore Patrol Vessels, which have been undergoing sea trials, would further enhance New Zealand's maritime patrols next summer. "

Time will tell, but there's nothing to stop such illegal fishing vessels simply dumping their catch/hauling it in and then making a run for it. Are these OPVs up to the job of being able to stop and board these ships?

Also too far out for any threat of an armed fast jet (if we still had any) to 'persuade' them to stop.

I suspect that in the eyes of certain foreign countries it's well worth the risk to fish illegally, if this is the best our country can do to 'deter' them. Well done to the 5 Squadron aircraft and crew for doing what they do best.

[strikemaster]

Do like the Anson pilots did in the Atlantic WWII. Drop a couple of persuaders out the window. That should do the trick.

[John L]

A fleet of Fletchers with long range tanks and a load of something highly odious wouldbe most effective......

[Dave Homewood]

Is it true the likes of a Skyhawk would not have made it down that far? The Baffins used to patrol down almost to the antarctic waters, so why not a fast jet??

[Barnsey]

Of course a Skyhawk "could" make it all the way to Antarctica and back with air-to-air refueling, but you would be accepting a large amount of risk in authorising the mission.
Problems include: generating a robust tanking plan (due to multiple refueling brackets with refueling the refuelers required (if doing it in-house and utilising the buddy stores); cold weather ops in a single engine aircraft; lack of diverts; comms; and rules of engagement.

[Dave Homewood]

Yes. A lot more risk for the poor lads in the Blackburn Baffins doing that patrol, in open cockpits. An RNZAF Baffin helf the record for the furthest south-flown from NZ single engine aircraft for many years, perhaps it still does?

I guess you'd have to wear cold water immersion suits too Barnsey? That would be a hassle in a fighter cockpit.

[beagle]

Apr 10, 2011 15:28:42 GMT 12 Barnsey said:

Of course a Skyhawk "could" make it all the way to Antarctica and back with air-to-air refueling, but you would be accepting a large amount of risk in authorising the mission.
Problems include: generating a robust tanking plan (due to multiple refueling brackets with refueling the refuelers required (if doing it in-house and utilising the buddy stores); cold weather ops in a single engine aircraft; lack of diverts; comms; and rules of engagement.

Sounds like a Black Buck raid, which was, for those that were around in the early 80's

[kb]

Apr 12, 2011 16:44:52 GMT 12 beagle said:

Apr 10, 2011 15:28:42 GMT 12 Barnsey said:

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Sounds like a Black Buck raid, which was, for those that were around in the early 80's

Yeah, Victor tankers refuelling Victor tankers who in turn refuelled the Vulcan. Even so some tankers were virtually dry on return and had to make emergency landings sometimes without a clear runway.

An epic in refuelling!

[Dave Homewood]

There were some epic missions done in North Africa and the Med in WWII that required refuelling halfway too, so the bombers set down on a makeshift strip well behind enemy lines and met transports full of drums that they reuelled from. No. 823 Naval Air Squadron did this in their Albacores so they could reach an Italian convoy well out in the Med.

[beagle]

on that note then, when was the very first inflight refuelling done

[Dave Homewood]

Before WWII. 1930's I think.

[obiwan27]

June 27th, 1923. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-flight_refueling