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Post by silverfox on Jun 12, 2011 22:21:29 GMT 12
My latest attempt is the old Monogram AT-6 with the optional Harvard canopy. I had one on stock and used it rather than the hard to fine Occidental Harvard. I enjoyed making it even though it must be at least a 30 year old moulding. NZ927 flew with the Advanced Training Squadron of 2 SFTS at Woodbourne from May 1941 but was used as an ground instructional airframe (INST44) after a heavy landing at Blenheim later the same year.   |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 12, 2011 22:59:49 GMT 12
Cool!
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Post by agalbraith on Jun 12, 2011 23:03:35 GMT 12
Awesome work, just love the Harvard in that scheme!
Great to see your amazing collection come together, must look impressive!
Cheers
Anthony
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Post by McFly on Jun 13, 2011 12:20:42 GMT 12
A couple of photos of NZ927 while in service with the RNZAF.  3/4 rear view of Harvard NZ927, with unusual red colour scheme, at Royal New Zealand Air Force Station Woodbourne.(DWNZ927)  Line-up of North American Harvard’s. Presumed to be Number 2 Service Flying Training School. Royal New Zealand Air Force Station, Woodbourne. NZ932, NZ927, NZ928 and NZ929 amongst aircraft in view. (PR284)  (RNZAF Official) |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jun 13, 2011 12:20:50 GMT 12
Great work. The figure look as though he is scratching his head. "Now where does this last bolt go?"
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Post by silverfox on Jun 14, 2011 8:08:56 GMT 12
Thanks for the kind comments chaps.
Anthony, The collection stands at 48 1/48th scale machines from the Avro504K to the SH2-F. Some of them are getting an outing next month at a model show, so I'll take some pictures and post them.
McFly thanks for the brilliant photos,a similar one of the three Harvards is in a book I have and the main reference for the model. The red machine is interesting; are you sure it is red and not an effect of the WWII vintage orthochromatic film?
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Post by baz62 on Jun 14, 2011 14:53:17 GMT 12
Yeah its yellow not red
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Post by McFly on Jun 14, 2011 18:38:59 GMT 12
Hmmmmm  The details off the negative plate held by the Air Force Museum stated the following - '3/4 rear view of Harvard NZ927, with unusual red colour scheme, at Royal New Zealand Air Force Station Woodbourne' (Neg No. DWNZ927), and I have no reason to doubt their information. However your welcome to contact Matthew O'Sullivan 'Keeper of Photographs' at Matthew.o’sullivan@nzdf.mil.nz if further research into the 'red' colour scheme is required.  |
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Post by trx850 on Jun 14, 2011 21:06:22 GMT 12
Hmmmmm The details off the negative plate held by the Air Force Museum stated the following - '3/4 rear view of Harvard NZ927, with unusual red colour scheme, at Royal New Zealand Air Force Station Woodbourne' (Neg No. DWNZ927), and I have no reason to doubt their information. However your welcome to contact Matthew O'Sullivan 'Keeper of Photographs' at Matthew.o’sullivan@nzdf.mil.nz if further research into the 'red' colour scheme is required. This shot has been discussed previously in the Harvard thread. It is so obviously taken with Ortho film. Just check out the hues of the roundels! Yellow shows up as jet black with this type film. And Andy, nice job on your model mate. Cheers, Pete M. |
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Post by kiwichappers on Jun 14, 2011 23:57:49 GMT 12
Red you say? Well that gets my attention. So what colour for the '27', blue with a black outline?
Nice model Andy and what show next month?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 15, 2011 1:27:34 GMT 12
I think there's really good reason to model this aircraft in red, and if anyone asks what you were thinking, simply say you have modelled it in ortho paints.
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Post by silverfox on Jun 15, 2011 3:41:29 GMT 12
Newcastle on the 10th July. I won't be at Elsecar until really late if at all.
I'd like to do a red Harvard but there are so many real schemes to do first.
Thanks again for the interest.
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Post by Tony on Jun 15, 2011 12:23:47 GMT 12
I first became aware of this scheme when Wings published a profile of 927 (and others) way back in the early '70s. I have also seen a photo in either Wings about the same time - or possibly it was from the Airfix Magazine during the same period.
One or both of the magazines had 927 as being on charge with the Electrical & Wireless School, hence the red colour.
I built an Airfiix Harvard in the scheme in about 1975. Photo to follow
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Post by McFly on Jun 15, 2011 13:11:19 GMT 12
Thanks trx850 for the steer to the 'Harvard Pile' thread. Should have looked there first and yes on page 21/22/23 (of 29) this photo is discussed and its/the use of Ortho film and what it can do to an image (especially if yellow) etc. See: rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Postwar&action=display&thread=9218&page=23Interestingly the thread does specifically mention that NZ972 had a painting chart that instructed the primary colour to be red..See below and Macfires post above seems to just add to the mystery...: With regard to paint schemes for Harvards, the following three drawings by G.D.Mansfield have appeared in Wings magazine. Of note is NZ927 in the second drawing where the first sentence of the comment reads: "NZ927, Gloss red overall, black antiddazzle panel, "27" and fuselage band blue." In the three photos that follow the drawings, I think that NZ903 is painted as NZ914 in the second drawing. The darkness of the yellow is because of the use of orthochromatic film as described by Shorty in Post 301 of this thread. However I suspect the photos of NZ923 and NZ927 were taken, probably using orthochromatic film, when they were actually painted red. Drawing 1  Drawing 2  Drawing 3  RNZAF or RNZAF Museum official: NZ903  Photo first posted by Shorty NZ923  RNZAF or RNZAF Museum official: NZ927  |
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