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Post by aeromedia on Jul 31, 2011 15:37:20 GMT 12
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Post by Bruce on Jul 31, 2011 16:13:10 GMT 12
Based on the preview, Its not one I'll be bothering to see - the CGI is terrible - doesnt anyone bother looking at how a Mustang really turns?!!!
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Post by corsair67 on Jul 31, 2011 17:31:07 GMT 12
Based on the preview, Its not one I'll be bothering to see - the CGI is terrible - doesnt anyone bother looking at how a Mustang really turns?!!! Bruce, I think you are being a little unfair - after all, in zero gravity a P-51D Mustang turns and rolls just like an X-wing or Tie Fighter.  This subject material had the potential to be a great movie - pity that it appears all the potential has been squeezed out of it by a moron whose last good piece of work appeared way back in 1977. Even this movie looks more realistic than Lucas' latest fiasco - ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by mumbles on Jul 31, 2011 23:22:34 GMT 12
Also seen the trailer today, and wishing it had been directed by someone other than Lucas. He means well, but the trailer bears two of his trademarks: terrible dialogue, and misuse of CGI. He is so infatuated with the possibilities of CGI he doesn't seem to understand it is a tool not a toy. I'm immensely grateful for his contributions to film and culture, but gee he needs to figure out he is far more useful as a producer or ideas man than director. I went and saw this earlier in the year (as a long time and big Star Wars fan), and it was an excellent summation of just how someone who gave so much and had a lot of potential just seemed to get lost: www.wired.com/underwire/2010/02/people-vs-george-lucas/ |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Aug 1, 2011 10:09:08 GMT 12
It looks okay to me. A bit 'Star Wars-y' yes, but still cool.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 1, 2011 12:26:27 GMT 12
Is Jah Jah Binks in it? ;D
Lucas's best film was American Graffiti, no question about it.
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Post by flyinkiwi on Aug 1, 2011 15:21:44 GMT 12
This subject material had the potential to be a great movie - pity that it appears all the potential has been squeezed out of it by a moron whose last good piece of work appeared way back in 1977. And the space ship battle sequences from that film were blatantly copied from WW2 footage. What gets me is that this story has been told before. And they did a reasonable job too, not sure why it needs retelling. |
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Post by Bruce on Aug 1, 2011 18:02:16 GMT 12
One other thing that bugs me about the trailer is the implication that the other fighter squadrons were undisciplined and abandoned the bombers - bit of an insult to them in my opinion.
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Post by obiwan27 on Aug 1, 2011 21:57:46 GMT 12
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_TailsAccording to Wiki the Director is Anthony Hemingway, Lucas is the Executive Producer, but was involved in some reshoots. The CGI looks pretty good imho, apart from the Mustang flipping over X-wing style to fire at the passing Me 262.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 2, 2011 0:15:34 GMT 12
Very few Allied pilots ever got close enough to a Me262 to fire a shot. Mustangs were definately not quick enough to catch them in a chase.
I have met one guy who shot one down though, Jack Stafford, in a Tempest.
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Post by Andy Wright on Aug 2, 2011 9:52:15 GMT 12
Many were caught as they took off and landed when even Mustangs had a chance. LOL.
I recall an American Mustang pilot, Urban L Drew, whose 361st FG aircraft Detroit Miss was modelled by Monogram for many years, downed two 262s on the same op. Have seen a variety of dramatic art featuring this but they too were shot down as they climbed after take-off.
Dave, I remember reading about Jack Stafford in Sheddan's Tempest Pilot. Did he ever write his own book or sit down with someone for an interview? Imagine he did but I've never come across anything.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 2, 2011 11:53:37 GMT 12
Jack has not written a book but I have filmed a great interview with him about his wartime career. He's a really nice chap, and had a very interesting war.
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Post by Tony on Aug 2, 2011 12:43:23 GMT 12
This subject material had the potential to be a great movie - pity that it appears all the potential has been squeezed out of it by a moron whose last good piece of work appeared way back in 1977.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 2, 2011 15:44:24 GMT 12
Actually Andy, I just remembered that Jack wrote six excellent articles for Microsoft that are on their website for flight simulators. Each is about a different aspect of his RNZAF career, training, combat etc. They are very good.
And I also just remembered that Jack has written a book, called Son of a Tempest pilot, which is a novel from the point of view of a son reflecting on the experiences of his father who flew Tempests. It's in Larry hill's bibliography but i don't think it is widely available. Jack's brother was a writer and historian and wrote a few books, one being on aviation in Rotorua where they lived (his brother is now deceased).
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Post by Officer Crabtree on Aug 2, 2011 18:20:38 GMT 12
It will be...interesting to say the least.
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Post by Andy Wright on Aug 2, 2011 18:26:54 GMT 12
Ripper, thanks, Dave. I'll check Larry's book when i get home and also check out the articles.
Excellent stuff.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 2, 2011 18:35:06 GMT 12
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Post by flyjoe180 on Aug 3, 2011 10:02:56 GMT 12
Many were caught as they took off and landed when even Mustangs had a chance. LOL. I recall an American Mustang pilot, Urban L Drew, whose 361st FG aircraft Detroit Miss was modelled by Monogram for many years, downed two 262s on the same op. Have seen a variety of dramatic art featuring this but they too were shot down as they climbed after take-off. I own the Monogram 1/48 scale P-51D as you describe here, with all the Miss Detroit decals included. Must have got it in the early 1980s sometime. Can one not buy this model any longer? Mine has not been touched (thank goodness my younger self was able to resist trying to build this kit). In fact there is one on Trademe right now still shrink wrapped: www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-models/Models/Aircraft/1_48/auction-396183951.htm |
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Post by Andy Wright on Aug 3, 2011 12:36:41 GMT 12
Thanks, Dave. Got home late from work last night so didn't bother with the laptop.
Not sure, Joe, for some reason I thought I'd seen a Revell 1/48 Mustang in different colours recently.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 3, 2011 20:13:18 GMT 12
This was posted, uncredited, on the FlyPast Forum thread about this upcoming film. It is quoted from world famous Mustang display pilot Ed Shipley. It sounds quite promising if true:
"A couple of comments about the movie from Ed Shipley:
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Just left OSH after spending a couple days with Lucas there.... he showed the trailer at the Young Eagles dinner... got a standing ovation. Then played it last night at the Ford Theater in the woods.... thousands of people there.... another standing ovation... and they screamed for it to be played again... which they did.
ASB has been helping consult on the flying sequences with the Mustangs for over year.... its been very cool to see this movie come together. The flying is mostly CGI... I wasn't sure about how it would really come out at first... but George's team has nailed it. For the first time ever the epic scale of aerial combat has been captured. No one could ever find the real planes or money to do it in the lens... George has the technology and skill set to make it all from scratch....
End of the day.... it's a dog fighting movie.... over an hour of aerial combat.... it's off the hook.
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I've been looking at the Red Tail CGI for almost two years now. These guys are really driving for as much detail as they can... for example they were at the Gather of Mustangs and Legends taking photos of the tiny details of the Mustangs metal... which they then used to skin into the wire frames they built. ASB took two Mustangs up to Skywalker and attacked the ranch so their sound design folks could capture the noise the Stangs made. It goes on and on. As I watched the CGI come together... one of the things that I was quite taken back by was the scope of the number of aircraft in the air. Hundreds of them... these are not numbers that Lucas made up so he could make the movie bigger... it's how it really was. No one has been able to generate that number of planes in the air before. Additionally, because of the CGI they were able to place the camera (and audience) in places to watch the action where no one has ever been before.... which at times makes some of the shots overwhelming... but when was the last time anyone sat still at 20,000 feet and had a hundred B-17's come by while they were being attacked?
All I can tell you is that these guys have attacked the dogfight sequences with great effort and passion... "
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