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Post by stereoimage on Mar 19, 2018 12:48:15 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Mar 19, 2018 19:44:30 GMT 12
Did they not have it there in Singapore ?
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Post by stereoimage on Mar 22, 2018 13:38:05 GMT 12
Unfortunately not. I might have a trip to Japan coming, up, I might see if I can get access for another article while I am there... Here's hoping!
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Post by zealman on Apr 6, 2018 10:24:55 GMT 12
Sorry folks,
But it sounds like this Govt ( Helen Mk 2 at the helm ), will shelve any plans to replace the C-130s and the P-3 Orions. "Sorry RNZAF, no money, Auckland needs trams"!!.My prediction is that Adern will "delay the project, i.e, kick the can down the road three 3yrs until they are voted out. Apparently Ron Mark and N.Z First are losing the arm wrestle re the Herc and Orion replacement. I emailed Ron Mark re this issue, and his response back was that a decision will be made later this year regarding the replacement of both fleets ". His response was relayed to myself over 6 weeks ago.If these replacement projects do not get the green light, I predict 2 things will happen:
1. N.Z First will pull support from the Govt 2. An exodus of well trained pilots from the RNZAF
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Post by zealman on Apr 6, 2018 10:46:21 GMT 12
The acquisition of x5 Kawasaki C-2, x3 CN-295s, x2 A 320s, and x2 extra HN-90s would have been an ideal mix.
Both strategic and Tactical Airlift for around 1.4B N.Z. for the RNZAF Transport Wing. The purchase of x6 Kawasaki p-1s would have been a better fit than x4 P-8s. But like I've previously mentioned, I don't believe this Govt will deliver anything for the RNZAF other than a whole lot of disillusioned NZDF service personnel.
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Post by madmac on Apr 6, 2018 15:52:45 GMT 12
The acquisition of x5 Kawasaki C-2, x3 CN-295s, x2 A 320s, and x2 extra HN-90s would have been an ideal mix. Other than providing a easier path to civilian life won't the A320s really be just a poor duplication of the C-2's capacity (C-2 is close to 757 capability).
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Post by zealman on Apr 6, 2018 17:06:27 GMT 12
Don't worry,
This Government won't be around in about a years time, the rate they are going. They are screwing over too many people. N.Z First knows it too. My belief is that they will pull their support once they realize they are being played by Labour and the Greens. Once the N.Z voters wake's up to the fact that Ardern is highly inept, has no substance, and see this country draining away down the toilet, things will change.
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Post by saratoga on Apr 6, 2018 20:39:05 GMT 12
yeh, no doubt we need that national party back...doh!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 6, 2018 21:36:27 GMT 12
OK let's not get too party political here guys.
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Post by zealman on Apr 7, 2018 8:35:13 GMT 12
Lets,
That's what it all comes down to unfortunately. We can all fantasize over what air craft the RNZAF should purchase, but the reality is that without a strong political backing in Wellington, nothing is going to happen. How many of you on this forum have actually been pro active in speaking to politicians, lobbying etc, instead of sitting around and day dreaming on this issue?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 7, 2018 11:48:02 GMT 12
The reality is: don't vote for the two do-nothing political parties, Labour or National, if you want a decent air force.
As I posted in another thread following beers & dinner at Speight's Ale House in Wanaka last Sunday evening....
Well....while waiting for a dinner table at Speight's Ale House in Wanaka on Sunday evening, we were having a beer at the bar and chatting to our Minister of Defence, who was also having a beer at the bar while waiting for a table. We were talking about the start of the airshow earlier that day where the F-16 popped up out of the Clutha River valley with afterburners lit and proceeded to cause just about everybody to jump out of their skin (no doubt anybody down in the valley would have just about crapped their pants when that F-16 suddenly flashed past them, right on the deck).
Ron, who had been at the airshow all weekend, made the comment that, “if you buggers stopped wasting your votes on those two tired old political parties, Labour and National, and instead all voted for NZ First, I'd have the numbers in Parliament to make sure the RNZAF got equipped with F-16s.”
So there you have it …… directly out of the horse's mouth.
DISCLAIMER: As the Minister of Defence was drinking piss (just like us) I cannot absolutely rule out that it was or wasn't merely piss-talk, but he did say it! And at least one other forum member was a witness to what he said.
Although, to be fair to Ron Mark, he is in parliament as a member of a political party which is a minority part of the government, with the majority political party in that government ultimately holding the purse strings. As he said, “if you buggers stopped wasting your votes on those two tired old political parties, Labour and National, and instead all voted for NZ First, I'd have the numbers in Parliament to make sure the RNZAF got equipped with F-16s.”
And guess what? The last time I voted for Labour was in 1987; the last time I voted for National was in 1990. The only exception is electorate votes since MMP came in where I've voted for whoever I thought would best represent the electorate I was living in, irrespective of whichever political party they represented. But neither Labour, nor National has ever got my party vote under MMP.
NOTE: the second comment was in reply to what somebody else posted in the thread, but you get the drift.
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Post by bobajob on May 2, 2018 22:15:06 GMT 12
On the Brisbane news tonight they said that QANTAS are retiring six BOE747 aircraft soon. Sending them to the Arizona desert when they are replaced by Dream-liners.
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Post by beagle on May 3, 2018 19:43:42 GMT 12
Sorry folks, But it sounds like this Govt ( Helen Mk 2 at the helm ), will shelve any plans to replace the C-130s and the P-3 Orions. "Sorry RNZAF, no money, Auckland needs trams"!!.My prediction is that Adern will "delay the project, i.e, kick the can down the road three 3yrs until they are voted out. Apparently Ron Mark and N.Z First are losing the arm wrestle re the Herc and Orion replacement. I emailed Ron Mark re this issue, and his response back was that a decision will be made later this year regarding the replacement of both fleets ". His response was relayed to myself over 6 weeks ago.If these replacement projects do not get the green light, I predict 2 things will happen: 1. N.Z First will pull support from the Govt 2. An exodus of well trained pilots from the RNZAF 1, The replacement aircraft will NOT be shelved. The Govt and other parties will know the state of affairs and would be getting information/advice from the Ministry of Defence on a regular basis. 2, They would have been informed with regard the time restraints in ordering the P8 and quite possibly already had visits from MOD with costs for transport replacement. 3, Lots of people do not like whats happening politically at present, but they will have all the facts and know they have to make a decision soon.
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Post by atea on May 3, 2018 20:00:34 GMT 12
Sorry folks, But it sounds like this Govt ( Helen Mk 2 at the helm ), will shelve any plans to replace the C-130s and the P-3 Orions. "Sorry RNZAF, no money, Auckland needs trams"!!.My prediction is that Adern will "delay the project, i.e, kick the can down the road three 3yrs until they are voted out. Apparently Ron Mark and N.Z First are losing the arm wrestle re the Herc and Orion replacement. I emailed Ron Mark re this issue, and his response back was that a decision will be made later this year regarding the replacement of both fleets ". His response was relayed to myself over 6 weeks ago.If these replacement projects do not get the green light, I predict 2 things will happen: 1. N.Z First will pull support from the Govt 2. An exodus of well trained pilots from the RNZAF 1, The replacement aircraft will NOT be shelved. The Govt and other parties will know the state of affairs and would be getting information/advice from the Ministry of Defence on a regular basis. 2, They would have been informed with regard the time restraints in ordering the P8 and quite possibly already had visits from MOD with costs for transport replacement. 3, Lots of people do not like whats happening politically at present, but they will have all the facts and know they have to make a decision soon. Quite right Beagle. This isn't going to turn into another case of what happened with the Skyhawks. These aircraft are reaching the end of their useful lives and to carry on with the parts of the military that the current government would find it easier to agree with (Peacekeeping and Disaster Support) these will need to be replaced. I think Ron Mark will prove to be a good Minster of Defense and will advocate strongly for these assets to be replaced with enhanced capabilities. Fact is that Defense spending doesn't buy votes in New Zealand and while there are plans in the Defense White Paper that funding still has to be approved by whatever government is in place and will always be dependent on the political whims of either side.
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Post by saratoga on May 3, 2018 22:56:03 GMT 12
If only we could have a properly funded education system,then people would know how to spell defence.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on May 5, 2018 12:23:27 GMT 12
The government of the day should have replaced the Andovers with these....
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Post by Naki on May 5, 2018 19:36:37 GMT 12
The government of the day should have replaced the Andovers with these.... The Boeing YC-14 (along with the other the other competitor, the YC-15 from McDD) was designed to replace the C-130 so a lot larger than an Andover. The whole programme IIRC was canned by the Carter presidency. However the YC-15 eventually grew into the even larger C-17 which became a Boeing product in any case.
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Post by madmac on May 6, 2018 18:41:06 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on May 6, 2018 20:30:26 GMT 12
S&S will buff it out
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Post by chis73 on May 7, 2018 11:24:57 GMT 12
A Kawasaki C-2 had a similar incident last year ( link). The pilots apparently switched the inertial reference system on after the aircraft had started moving and it didn't initialise properly - meaning the nose-wheel steering and braking were locked out. I wonder if the KC-390 had the same problem. Damn computers! Beagle - I wish I had your confidence that the government will take some action on the Hercules & Orion replacements sooner rather than later. I get the feeling that there will be nothing in the budget this year. We really need to make a start. My fear is that both 5 Sqn & 40 Sqn will likely have a period where they are non-operational as they transition to their replacement aircraft - due to the small number of aircraft in each squadron and also lack of qualified pilots (ie. some qualified on the new aircraft, some on the old, not enough qualified on both). I base that assumption on the experience of the last round of upgrades. Things are so lean now that there is no cover for them. My hope was that we would look to add an additional small squadron of twin engine turboprops (C295 or C-27J) as a gap filler for both the C-130 & P-3 as a first step. But I can't see that happening now. The C295 has an order backlog of something like 50 aircraft at present, and the USCG hasn't yet got the C-27J mission-ized to the point that it could do a reasonable job as a MPA. I just wish someone would come out with a definitive statement that we need both tactical and strategic airlifter squadrons. That 'like-for-like' statement really bugs me - it's just so wrong. The current arrangement doesn't work any more (if it ever did) - C130 is too small and 757 can't lift heavy loads.
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