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Post by jonesy on Oct 8, 2011 8:50:28 GMT 12
Heres a question thats been on my mind for some time. Guys that have left NZ on a (semi) permanent basis-do you still consider yourself staunch Kiwis? Maybe in regard to who you support for the RWC etc? Interested to know if, given the ultimatum, you would consider yourself a kiwi or not?
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Post by Luther Moore on Oct 8, 2011 9:03:39 GMT 12
Good Question.
I'm from Australia never been to New Zealand.
My Mum's side is from Puhoi, her Mum's side came with the settlers from Bohemia,and her Dad was part Maori/Kiwi.
Dads side his Mother was from Australia and his Dad also Maori/Kiwi.
Mum and Dad moved over here just before I was born.
I go for the All Blacks and when people ask what I am I just say half Kiwi half Aussie.
Sometimes I dont know what I am.People over there would call me Aussie people over here call me Kiwi.
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Post by kiwitone on Oct 8, 2011 22:48:42 GMT 12
always a Kiwi first!,left for my O.E. in 1981 and despite living in Britain since 1986 will remain so. Jonsey; my father and granfather were both born in New Zealand. i was raised in the Wairarapa, worked as a slaughter man for 4 seasons at waingawa; i am a Kiwi, but not a"pakeha" which doesn't translate well! So many of us New Zealanders are not the equal of others now, our country was for all born to it and access to rivers and coastline available to those who asked permission and treated it with respect. You have struck a chord there Jonsey...kia kaha kiwi! this world cup is ours!
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Post by smithy on Oct 8, 2011 23:21:52 GMT 12
I'm a Kiwi and always will be. Where I happen to live doesn't change the fact of where I was born, grew up, where my family are and what I am.
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Post by nzompilot on Oct 9, 2011 1:06:26 GMT 12
I may live in Brisbane, but that's where my aussie allegiance ends. I am a Kiwi and I will always be a Kiwi, no matter how many jabs I get about my accent or jokes made at my expense. If there is a Kiwi national sporting team playing I will support them to the death. Even in domestic competitions the only Kiwi "club" side I dint support at number 1 is the Phoenix who have slipped to second behind the Roar.
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Post by Calum on Oct 9, 2011 10:40:03 GMT 12
I've been in Australia nearly as long as I lived in NZ, in fact I've spent most of my Adult life here., I have Australian Citizenship and got a Aussie passport last year (better value for money than a NZ one)
That said I still consider myself a kiwi and expect I always will, although I can't see myself moving back to NZ (for a mulitiude of reasons).
Sport wise, I'll always be a All Blacks/Kiwis/Warriors fan as that is who I've always followed. My kids though support the Aussie teams as they were born here.
But, IMHO, where you are born doesn't have to define what nationality you are. That is a personal thing that varies from person to person. I also think it depends on where you came from originally. Kiwis here are probably the most likely to retain a strong bond to their homeland. I think the main reason is that the countries are so close, both geographically and culturally.
Many refugees from countries that are in turmoil seem to become quite enthusiastic Australians whereas Kiwis /Poms etc here are pretty ambivalent to the whole thing. 've noticed that some people get confused with my posts because I can refer to me/us (meaning Australia on one sentence and then in the next use the same terms to mean NZ.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2011 12:49:35 GMT 12
I was in a train in London in 1996, sitting right at the back of the carriage, and it stopped at a station. An old man up the front got up to get off but rather than go out the door he came up to me and said "I see you're wearing an All Blacks beanie. I'm a New Zealander. I moved to London in 1940 during the war and I have never gone home but I'm still a kiwi, I support the All Blacks and I always stop and say hi to other kiwis when I see them. " Afyer a brief chat he hopped off and I never saw him again, but I thought what a neat little encounter it was. he was at least in his 80's and I'd guess he may well have had a very interesting wartime career. It was nice for me as sometimes you can feel all alone in London, coming from a small town and being thrust into that city of millions. It was nice to chat to another kiwi.
One another occasion I was standing at an underground railway map studying it to see which Tube I needed to take. I felt a whack on my bag that I was wearing and heard a voice say "Nice bag". I turned to see a guy in a suit walking off with an identical Macpac bag and the same identical NZ flag patch sewn onto it that I'd bought and had sewn on. He had a big grin on his face, as did I.
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Post by Darren Masters on Oct 9, 2011 15:40:06 GMT 12
Good thread. When I saw the title I thought it more appropriate to be titled 'Kiwis in Aussie' All in fun. Interesting some of the comments about not wanting to come back to NZ for various reasons. I feel the same about Sydney. Every time I go there I realise why I left. That's got to have made it a good decision for me to move to NZ yeah? I do have a NZ patch on my backpack when I travel with an Aussie passport I would always support the Aussies in events like RWC though no matter what but must admit in the NRL, I swayed to the Warriors as I'm not a Manly fan
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2011 16:05:22 GMT 12
Good thread. When I saw the title I thought it more appropriate to be titled 'Kiwis in Aussie' You'd be surprised Darren, the forum has ex-pat Kiwis who live in England, Scotland, Canada, the USA, Italy, Singapore, Hong Kong, and many other places as well as those who live in Australia. We're a very international country.
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Post by chinapilot on Oct 10, 2011 0:22:58 GMT 12
Well said Dave :-)
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Post by Darren Masters on Oct 10, 2011 3:23:13 GMT 12
Yes indeed but I think you will find that most are in Aussie.
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 10, 2011 11:37:03 GMT 12
Okay, you asked! ;D Love New Zealand - just don't love some of the people over there! ;D In many ways I guess that I have become slightly more Australian than Kiwi - in the sense that I have trouble imagining settling back there now. Mind you, I have lived here now for exactly 22 years (as of today), so I suppose this is natural. About the only New Zealand team I support now is the the Silver Ferns. As for the All Blacks TM: I can't stand them. Actually, to be fair, it's not the team I dislike so much - it's more the people running the show behind the scenes, and the way the team are held in almost religious reverence by the NZ media & some fans that irritates me the most. And the mere fact that the All Blacks had lost a few games could push much more important stories off the front page of major NZ newspapers several years ago really worried me. Also the way the NZRU carried on in the lead up to the 2003 RWC was the final nail in the coffin as far as I was concerned. Very disappointing performance in my view, and really showed how arrogant and out of touch the NZRU had become. yes, I know I should build a bridge - but I can't! ;D Anyway, even if I wanted to support the All Blacks - I don't know if I could afford the equivilent of the GDP of a small African nation to buy a jersey now! ;D The other thing I have found with New Zealand is the number of people there who feel the need to passionately lecture me on how all Australians are racist - and then act as if New Zealand has never seen any form of racism at all and has a clean slate as far as race relations are concerned. The same people also seem to be the types who also like to point out that they also believe that Australia is basically in America's backpocket, and are warmongers. I'm just waiting for NZ to become the ninth State or Territory of Australia so I will only have to carry one passport around, and so New Zealand will have an air combat force once again! Anyway, flame away people...... ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 10, 2011 11:56:14 GMT 12
He's not joking, I have seen him wearing one of those canary yellow Wallabies jumpers, for shame!
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 10, 2011 12:04:43 GMT 12
He's not joking, I have seen him wearing one of those canary yellow Wallabies jumpers, for shame! Yeah, that's true - but I found it at a price that was too good to ignore. ;D Actually, the Wallabies are a team that I am having trouble following at all now too. They've had so much promise and potential over the past five years - but they've done nothing with it. Work colleagues have been trying to get me to support AFL - and if you watch a game live at a footy ground, it really is great to watch - but I reckon it just doesn't translate across to TV so well.
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Post by strikemaster on Oct 10, 2011 15:49:31 GMT 12
Well, I'm grateful to Dave and WONZ. I've caught up heaps on where the RNZAF is and what's going on back home. My Kiwi heritage goes back to the first settlers, I'm proud of what they did and find it impossible to turn my back on that. Mind you there is a little Aussie cross pollination that goes back to the gold rushes, I'm sure if enough Kiwi's look back they will find the same.
I'm immensely proud of the the RNZAF, what they Achieve with nothing, a knack most Kiwi's seem to have. Also immensely proud that a country with 4 million people can have the worlds strongest and most successful rugby team. If only we could get rid of the Pollies, I'd probably come home. Economy is the main reason I'm still in Aussie. Like Callum I've been here as long as I was in NZ, but is still pine for the Fiords. When I retire I can see myself doing exactly what my Dad has done, spend all my weekends hunting, something you just can't do over here.
I back the Storm and the Rebels, unless they are playing the Warriors or the Chiefs (and sometimes the Crusaders). All Blacks and Kiwi's all the way.
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Post by Luther Moore on Oct 10, 2011 17:35:50 GMT 12
What settlers Strike?
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Post by mroz on Oct 11, 2011 4:14:01 GMT 12
..... I'm a New Zealander. I moved to London in 1940 during the war and I have never gone home but I'm still a kiwi, I..... Sir, I read your msg - that's a long time to have never seen the land of your birth - would you consider a trip "home"? Not being rude, but arriving in London in 1940 puts you past the teen years - would your health be up to it? Best wishes... - sorry I realise having reread your post you may have taken trips home to visit.
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Post by chinapilot on Oct 11, 2011 4:33:05 GMT 12
One of the things that Mrs McElewee taught me back in the days when I was in NZ was comprehension...Dave was quoting a remark he heard from a Kiwi he met in London FCS...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 11, 2011 11:41:00 GMT 12
..... I'm a New Zealander. I moved to London in 1940 during the war and I have never gone home but I'm still a kiwi, I..... Sir, I read your msg - that's a long time to have never seen the land of your birth - would you consider a trip "home"? Not being rude, but arriving in London in 1940 puts you past the teen years - would your health be up to it? Best wishes... - sorry I realise having reread your post you may have taken trips home to visit. Huh?? As Chinapilot said, I was quoting a nice old gent I met in London in 1996. It was not me I was referring to. If you'd read the whole post you'd know that.
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Post by Luther Moore on Oct 11, 2011 11:58:05 GMT 12
Anyone ever been to the Puhoi German pub in New Zealand?
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