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Post by flyinkiwi on May 20, 2008 10:41:03 GMT 12
Yep, while the "benign security environment" exists in the minds of our politicians and apathy in the NZ voting public at large there will not be any reason to reconsider the decision to disband our strike capacity.
Sometimes I wonder if we as a nation are so insular in our thinking that should something along the lines of what FlyNavy said occurred whether anyone in the Beehive would see the potential threat?
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Post by FlyNavy on May 20, 2008 11:36:44 GMT 12
flyinkiwi, my scenario above is purely imaginary but meant for the 2030 time frame when perhaps a lot of other fantasy threats may evolve into real threats. Probably as some have suggested already the East Islands of KangaKiwi will be aided by the West Island(s) [poor old Taswegia keeps being forgotten as part of the Greater KangaKiwi Security environment] powerhouse of JSFs and STOVL varieties coming to your aid. Helen will be long gone by then and so will I most likely. ;D
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Post by the_flying_surfer on May 20, 2008 16:23:09 GMT 12
Mikey, you know I'd jump ship in a flash...... and in the year 2030 I would have served for 34 years, I would be very very surprised if I was still flying!!!!
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Post by Kenny on May 20, 2008 21:23:51 GMT 12
My Dream Airforce Combat Wing:10x ex RAF Eurofighters in homeland security/interceptor role 10x ex RAF Tornados and or Harriers (mixture of both or a fleet of similar aircraft) 5x Hawk Jet Trainers or latest equvalent Transport Wing:1x C17 1x Air-Refuling Aircraft 2x upgraded 757s 6x C130s (latest versions or updated to latest specs) Naval Support:5x Navalized NH90s or Eurocopter AS 565 Panther Army Support:3x Kiowa in a Recon/Light Attack Role 3x Super Cobra Or 1 C130 Gunship Pilot Training:12x PC-21 5x Beech 1900 Multi Engine Training or similar Helicopter Wing:12x NH90, 1or2 of which would be used for 24Hr National SAR 8x A109 Training Helo & LUH Maritime Patrol & Surveillance:6x Latest P3 Orions 2x P8 Posiedon Ahh yes my dream combat wing ;D, also i will reform the bases appropriatley, having one base just means one bombing run for any invading country Probably Somthing Like.. Admore: Pilot Training, SAR & Joint Current Whenuapai: Transport Wing & Maritime Patrol Ohakea: Combat Wing & Helicopters Woodbourne: As Current & or pilot training *Northland: My Ideas of basing Naval Aircraft At a New Naval Base in Northland away from Auckland Waters. *Lower South Island: An extra Maritime patrol base Hobsonville: Gone Note my ideas on a national SAR squadron, simply because i feel pasionate about tax payer funded rescue services, instead of relying on sponsored helicopters. Obviously they would still exist and i hope more of them do. Well thats my dream ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 20, 2008 21:45:00 GMT 12
Hasn't the P-3 Orion production line stopped?
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Post by Naki on May 20, 2008 22:46:34 GMT 12
yes but I believe that the P-3 is goimg back into production for a limited run for Taiwanese Navy - although these could be refurbished ex US Navy a/c
The reason I didnt have a combat wing is that I thought the question was that do you think it would look like not how you would want it to look like in 2030.
My ideal air force would also include a squadron (12-18) of JAS-39s or AT-50s.
Kenny9528 - Harriers and Tornadoes will probably be history by 2030 - long replaced by F-35s and the like so spares might be a big issue - Kiowas should also be distant memory - your numbers also seem quite low for some of the types you have listed - you haven't allowed for attrition, maintenance, training etc.
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Post by 30sqnatc on May 21, 2008 0:03:47 GMT 12
2030.
The NZDF is just commencing rotation 66 of the PRT in Afghanistan. Not much reconstruction is being done but the NH90s are doing sterling work as are the Tiger escorts.
Back in NZ the NZDF are now centered around Ohakea (land and air commands) and Whangarei (maritime, land and air commands). The small number of regulars are supported by national service personnel serving their compulsory two year stint. The director of national service is Ronny Marks MP rtd . The air element has: a strategic transport sqn, tactical transport sqn, helo sqn with transport and armed escort elements, reconnaissance sqn using UAVs including a naval flight, land and maritime strike is undertaken by a UCAV sqn.
Pilot training was contracted out in the 2013 review which saw the individual services disbanded and made commands of the NZDF.
And people talk of the aircraft boneyard at the former Woodbourne airbase with all the decaying Skyhawks, C-130, Orion and Iroqouis in the same way we now think of the Hamilton boneyard after WWII. End user licences difficulties prevented selling any of the US manfactured aircraft. Paul P.S. When Philomel was being redeveloped after the Navy moved out they found a long forgotten tunnel with the remains of a Boeing floatplane and a Bristol fighter. They never were in North Head.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 21, 2008 0:28:57 GMT 12
Woodbourne was also a boneyard after WWII, in fact at the end of the war through to the 1950's. Lots and lots of Harvards, Oxfords and Mossies to name a few types awaited their slow painful deaths there, maybe as many aircraft passed through that storage unit as at Rukuhia. There were other RNZAF graveyards too, including one at marton I think, and of course Hobsonville where Catalinas and the Meteor went to die.
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Post by Kenny on May 21, 2008 16:31:14 GMT 12
Kenny9528 - Harriers and Tornadoes will probably be history by 2030 - long replaced by F-35s and the like so spares might be a big issue - Kiowas should also be distant memory - your numbers also seem quite low for some of the types you have listed - you haven't allowed for attrition, maintenance, training etc. Oh of course, i just listed what would be operationally usefull. To be honest its just a list of some of my favourite modern military aircraft that id like to see in nz hands now ;D eg the tornado .... tornado tornado tornado tornado ok ill stop
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Post by FlyNavy on May 21, 2008 17:04:03 GMT 12
I'm interested to know kenny95258 why the Tornado is considered good value? For what role etc is it most useful? The reason I ask is that (being disinterested otherwise) I note many bad opinions of the Tornado around the place, with very few good opinions. Whatever you can add to the good opinion pile will be useful (to me anyway). ;D
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Post by Kenny on May 21, 2008 20:30:42 GMT 12
i just like them ;D I have no idea what nz would do with them.
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Post by phil on May 21, 2008 21:03:55 GMT 12
By 2030 they'd be 50 year old airframes!
Even the Eurofighter would be 20 years old.
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Post by Kenny on May 21, 2008 21:45:59 GMT 12
well who knows, we might die tomorow in some horrible asteriod collision. and supposvly thers a thing called global warming aka climate change which might happen by 2030. and we might run out of fuel by 2030.. ect... ect...ect well see it when it happens
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