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Post by Darren Masters on Nov 23, 2011 15:24:05 GMT 12
There's a second video on the stuff page, "Helicopter Crash Witnesses" - and although the interview with the fire chief is good, the other guy is a numpty. The interesting bit is the close up shot at about 26-27 seconds in. Agreed. The other bloke was a total tool. |
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Post by Darren Masters on Nov 23, 2011 15:33:30 GMT 12
I just went by their hangar at Ardmore and apart from a few dump truck soil deliveries all was quiet.
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Post by Kereru on Nov 23, 2011 15:35:46 GMT 12
Pic taken in 2008.  Thank goodness no serious injuries. Colin |
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Post by jeta1guzzler on Nov 23, 2011 15:48:48 GMT 12
Couldnt agree more mate , experienced operator on just another tricky lifting job . Lets just wait and see what happened and glad he's OK .
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 23, 2011 17:26:58 GMT 12
Calm it guys, there is no need for an argument. The "previously unseen vision" as the newsreader called it that they just played on the TV3 news showed pretty much exactly what happened that contributed to the wire strike (watch Campbell live to see the guy who shot it and no doubt 10 minutes of reruns), but we don't need to have a trial by media or a trial by forum. Let the professional crash investigators do their job and sort out what actually was the causes behind the accident.
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Post by Calum on Nov 23, 2011 17:31:25 GMT 12
He was really lucky to not get injured. Not a lot of thought seems to have gone intothe risks of what they were trying to do and where they were trying to do it. Who are you to say that? These guys do extensive lifting work all over the place. I doubt they would be operating on such a high profile job in such a high profile area without plenty of prior planning. At this point there are any number of possible causes, let's have a bit of professional courtesy towards a fellow aviator and wait until FACTS are known before we start playing the blame game. Sometimes shit just happens, at the end of the day no one was hurt or worse so good outcome to a bad situation. Nope that’s my opinion and I'm entitled it just as you are to yours. In my experience, shit never "just" happens in Aviation. There is always a series of causes. |
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Post by Deane B on Nov 23, 2011 17:51:16 GMT 12
A question for anybody experienced in helo lifting operations. Once a structure like that is lifted into position, would the lift cable be released from the helo, or the tower or both? Or would it remain connected as the helicopter descended?
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Post by jonesy on Nov 23, 2011 18:45:32 GMT 12
Just by-the -by, wasnt that one of our fellow forum members also quoted in the Stuff article? Have a look and see....  |
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Post by sqwark2k on Nov 23, 2011 19:06:05 GMT 12
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Post by rhyno on Nov 23, 2011 19:51:03 GMT 12
Yeah you can see the guy flicking the long line..I bet he doesnt get much sleep tonight.
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Post by Calum on Nov 23, 2011 20:37:10 GMT 12
Wow that TV3 footage is really interesting
A lotta lucky guys out there today which is great
Great demonstration of how terrible that seat is as well
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Post by agile on Nov 23, 2011 20:44:44 GMT 12
I occasionally work around helos and I ask this out of genuine curiosity, not as a comment on the actions of those at the scene, who doubtless knew what they were doing. If an aircraft spuds in like that,and the pilot is clearly not in a position to turn off the electrical master switch etc, is there any risk (ie from fire) in approaching it once the dust and bits of rotor blade have settled?
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Post by sqwark2k on Nov 23, 2011 21:09:26 GMT 12
Absolutely, but some of the groundcrew were wearing Helisika Hi-viz vests, so maybe trained in event of accident to secure engine (if required) electrics etc. If they weren't company staff, they prob didn't think of the potential and went in blissfully unaware.... kudos to the crew who went in straight away.... human nature at it's best.
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Post by agile on Nov 23, 2011 21:24:23 GMT 12
Ta. That's what I figured. And +1 to the last sentence.
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Post by mumbles on Nov 23, 2011 21:41:22 GMT 12
I occasionally work around helos and I ask this out of genuine curiosity, not as a comment on the actions of those at the scene, who doubtless knew what they were doing. If an aircraft spuds in like that,and the pilot is clearly not in a position to turn off the electrical master switch etc, is there any risk (ie from fire) in approaching it once the dust and bits of rotor blade have settled? To be honest, being both reasonably aviation aware, and extremely hazard aware due to my work, I'd probably be thinking about going in regardless once everything had stopped moving if there was no visible sign of fire. That isn't to say I would heedlessly rush in, but I wouldn't be standing idly by either if I perceived there was any chance of getting the guy out safely. |
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Post by Deane B on Nov 23, 2011 21:46:12 GMT 12
I occasionally work around helos and I ask this out of genuine curiosity, not as a comment on the actions of those at the scene, who doubtless knew what they were doing. If an aircraft spuds in like that,and the pilot is clearly not in a position to turn off the electrical master switch etc, is there any risk (ie from fire) in approaching it once the dust and bits of rotor blade have settled? You can see clearly that the engine is ripped free and is still screaming itself to bits, so where there is heat, possibly fuel and/or oil leakage and electricity all mixed together there is potential for problems. Thankfully most crashes don't result in instantaneous massive fireballs as portrayed by hollywood! Kudos to the guys involved who acted quickly and secured things. |
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Post by sqwark2k on Nov 23, 2011 21:48:19 GMT 12
Check out the TV3 footage at 3:44, there's a guy in black clothing, but not in any Hi-viz gear, who appears to jump up and grab at the long line, maybe to assist with the unhook, but in doing so probably making the line taut and bringing the line into the rotor disc. You see him seconds after the prang stand up, very lucky not to have had the thing land on him.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 23, 2011 21:51:58 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 24, 2011 2:02:41 GMT 12
The first guy who got into the port side of the helicopter, in a high viz vest, seen in the TV3 "new vision" footage, was the freelance cameraman (filming himself). He left the camera rolling and dashed in to help. He was on Campbell Live tonight and said there was a lot of fuel around and the pilot was initially unconscious when he got into the aircraft. A helicopter person entered from the other side and together they got the pilot out, as he'd come around by then. Even though the pilot walked away and the media says he was unharmed, I'll bet he'll be bloody sore tomorrow after that massive wrenching his body took. I'm glad it wasn't any worse.
The footage has been playing on BBC World tonight btw.
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Post by Darren Masters on Nov 24, 2011 10:42:48 GMT 12
Absolute media circus down here right now at Helisika Ardmore. Talking John Campbell even.
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