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Post by meo4 on Mar 15, 2012 12:07:44 GMT 12
Some of the coments on stuff from the average civi sound bit misguided and uninformed , comparing the NH90s to recent civilianisation process which are totally unrelated to the purchase of replacement helicopters. With the dominion post video the close up of cockpit shows a FLIR control.
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Post by meo4 on Mar 15, 2012 12:10:18 GMT 12
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Post by mumbles on Mar 15, 2012 13:16:37 GMT 12
Plus a couple of familiar posters from this forum as well
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Post by strikemaster on Mar 15, 2012 13:49:55 GMT 12
A good read too. Escape tunnel....
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 15, 2012 17:15:29 GMT 12
Yes I had noticed a few familiar and informed people there Sam.
What is the guy on who though they have kangaroos on them? haha
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Post by adzze on Mar 15, 2012 18:06:00 GMT 12
Yes I had noticed a few familiar and informed people there Sam. What is the guy on who though they have kangaroos on them? haha I saw that one, probably he saw file footage from overseas
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Post by chasper on Mar 16, 2012 19:59:58 GMT 12
To be fair though the RNZAF PR team have been rubbish with regard to the NH90 and the A109 arrival. Lots of very bland statements, very little that would interest the public. To me the removal of the photos from this site of the agusta's arriving at Ohakea in crates 'for security reasons' summed up how lost they have become. Yes the NH90's have issues, they will be resolved though and the air force should have (in my view) been very open with the public about what was going on rather than just shutting up and letting non military journo's run the story.
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Post by mumbles on Mar 16, 2012 21:01:17 GMT 12
To be fair though the RNZAF PR team have been rubbish with regard to the NH90 and the A109 arrival. Lots of very bland statements, very little that would interest the public. To me the removal of the photos from this site of the agusta's arriving at Ohakea in crates 'for security reasons' summed up how lost they have become. Yes the NH90's have issues, they will be resolved though and the air force should have (in my view) been very open with the public about what was going on rather than just shutting up and letting non military journo's run the story. I sometimes get the feeling that they aren't sure how much the public needs or wants to know. The official website certainly could be better in terms of event detail and announcements.
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Post by corsair67 on Mar 16, 2012 21:35:06 GMT 12
To be fair though the RNZAF PR team have been rubbish with regard to the NH90 and the A109 arrival. Lots of very bland statements, very little that would interest the public. To me the removal of the photos from this site of the agusta's arriving at Ohakea in crates 'for security reasons' summed up how lost they have become. Yes the NH90's have issues, they will be resolved though and the air force should have (in my view) been very open with the public about what was going on rather than just shutting up and letting non military journo's run the story. Couldn't agree more. New equipment is always something to celebrate, and many people in NZ are interested in seeing some footage of them in operation. And the 'security reasons' excuse was pretty lame - especially when you compare it to the RAAF's handling of the news that they were receiving 24 F/A-18Fs: the RAAF couldn't wait to get high-res images and stories out into the media about them when the first ones arrived! You could be forgiven for thinking that the RNZAF has become so paranoid nowadays, that they are worried that if the public know about their new helicopters, they might kick up a stink and make the air force hand them back to the manufacturers! ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 18, 2012 21:53:17 GMT 12
It was not so much security of the helicopters in general but of people seen in the photos, and the fact that they had not passed any clearances for publication outside of RNZAF circles - two issues that are not new. There are processes that have to be gone through to do any NZDF press release and publication of photos and these had been side-stepped.
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Post by davel on Mar 19, 2012 11:28:21 GMT 12
Were the photos taken by a member of the public from public property? If so I cant really see how the RNZAF can expect them to be removed. If they were taken by someone on base and published without permission thats a different story.
I once had a (civilian) gate security guard at Whenuapai tell me I couldnt take a photo of a USAF C-17 that was there. Needless to say I took photos anyway..
It will be dissapointing if they dont fly an NH90 at the Ohakea Airshow. Doesnt have to be a full display but just get it in the air to show it off. I remember when the 757 first arrived it seemed one of the first orders of business was to work up a display routine. It was great spending the day out at Whenuapai watching them practicing over and over again.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 19, 2012 14:35:00 GMT 12
No, they were official photos, taken on base and released without official approval. The RNZAF were within their rights to ask for their removal, I was happy to do so, and both forum members who posted the shots were ok with the decision. End of story. There is actually a longstanding forum rule about seeking permission before posting photos of anything or disclosing details of them. If it is breached and people are upset, we the moderators deal with it.
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