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Post by Officer Crabtree on Jan 30, 2012 14:24:10 GMT 12
The other day I was watching the Navy ad and noticed that the lieutenant pronounced her rank as the Americans do (to my knowledge). Is this the correct way? Or is it different depending on the service?
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Post by luke6745 on Jan 30, 2012 14:34:29 GMT 12
It's, "leftennant". At ATC we pronounce the navy lieutenant ranks as "leftennat".
I know the Royal Navy pronounce it that way so it should be the same here.
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Post by beagle on Jan 30, 2012 15:40:36 GMT 12
usually just say Sir
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Post by jonesy on Jan 30, 2012 16:06:49 GMT 12
I know we're correct (Queens English and all..) but when you get a day back for working a public holiday, as we do, its called a day in lieu. (Loo)... Grr isnt the english language confusing??  |
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Post by baronbeeza on Jan 30, 2012 16:28:37 GMT 12
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LieutenantWe all know my thoughts on Wikipedia... none of it is 100% accurate in my eyes. The guys with the rank of Lt or Flt Lt get to pronounce their rank many, many times a day. Every time they answer a telephone for example. Each will have their own version. In the RNZAF in my time it was always the 'lef' way of saying it. Having said that we have now 'gotten' many Americanisms such as 'zee' and god knows what else the younger generation tries on us. It would not surprise me that the Hollywood influence creeps into the military... we can see it on this Forum and it may also reflect in the youth and turnover of the military staff. Like the word 'Your' is now being used in place of You're ( as in you are). Resistance is futile. In a few generations the world will be speaking yank and believing the Wikipedia version of history.  Ask Guy Gibson's dog...
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jan 30, 2012 16:37:13 GMT 12
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LieutenantResistance is futile. In a few generations the world will be speaking yank and believing the Wikipedia version of history. Ask guy Gibson's dog... I will resist until the end. No revolution here. |
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Post by paddy on Jan 30, 2012 16:47:29 GMT 12
Corporal George (GSI on my recruit course) called it Left Tennant and I bloody well wasn't going to argue with him!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 30, 2012 17:53:47 GMT 12
I'm not a Navy expert but I have a feeling that though the Army and Air Force pronounce it is Leftennant, the RNZN uses the Americanised version of Loo-tenant, just like their Americanised palm-down salute.
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Post by luke6745 on Jan 30, 2012 18:20:40 GMT 12
just like their Americanised palm-down salute That isn't Americanised, the RN and RAN do it too so I think it's a British thing. |
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Post by phil on Jan 30, 2012 18:43:36 GMT 12
Something about not showing your dirty palms to an officer or some nonsense.
I always make a special effort to salute properly when coming on board, just to show the navy how it's supposed to be done.
As for Loo vs left.... well I thought it was left, but who knows with the navy.
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Post by ngatimozart on Jan 30, 2012 20:29:59 GMT 12
The RNZN, RN and RAN salute is not americanised. It has to do with RN officers being snobs and not like to see dirty hands so the salute is done in such a way as to hide the dirty palm of a juniors hand. The navy has a lot of traditions and that is just one of them. If you look at how naval officers wear their swords on parade you will notice that it is different to Air Force and Army. They actually are supposed to drag them along the ground. Back in the day around Capt Blighs time (did you know he did his training under James Cook) there was a mutiny onboard one of HM ships over conditions or something similar. Anyway the crew said that they would return to work as long as the officers gave their word that there would be no punishments for the mutiny. The officers gave their word and the crew went back to work handing over command of the ship back to the officers who promptly broke their word and hung the mutiny leaders. Word of this got to the King when the ship returned to the UK and he said that the officers had shamed themselves and England because they had broken their solemn word. He ordered that from that day on all RN officers will drag their swords on the ground in humiliation and shame because of the actions of these ships officers. To this day that order has never been rescinded and can only be rescinded by a monarch. When I was in the RNZNVR it was left tenant. Loo tenant was only used as an derogatory term. It's the old story that it is only insubordination if the officer knew he / she was being insulted. WO Ray Howe taught me that at Wigram back in 1978/79 when he was BWO. See I was never an officer - I worked for a living |
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Post by obiwan27 on Jan 30, 2012 20:38:22 GMT 12
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jan 31, 2012 7:38:53 GMT 12
I seem to recall the naval salute was palm down because of tar on the sailors' hands. Tar was used to seal the decking. Turning the traditional salute on its side 90 degrees hides the dirty palm.
That is very interesting about the sword dragging tradition, Ngatimozart.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 31, 2012 8:47:53 GMT 12
I knew that about the reason behind the palm down salute, I was tired and ised the wrong term, should have said American-style as all their Armed Forces use it (as well as the RN). Basically, the Navy do things different and like to confuse the rest of us.
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Post by ngatimozart on Jan 31, 2012 16:13:23 GMT 12
Yeah I was taught by an ex RN stoker, CPO Eng Gordy Fagan who knew his naval history well. He served on HMS Victory twice first as an Able Stocker firing the boiler so the officers had hot showers and later as a chief stocker working as a guide on board. He had all these wee pearls of knowledge. A really good man to go to sea with and highly entertaining. I had the pleasure of being on board for his last trip to sea with the RNZN and that was a real beauty. Still shudder at the memory of the hangovers.
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Post by meo4 on Jan 31, 2012 19:18:42 GMT 12
Those ads bit misleading NZ Navy medical officers are hardly ever at sea let alone on an ops room or boarding parties, flight deck officer etc. Is the Air Force salute same as the Army hand wave?.
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Post by ngatimozart on Jan 31, 2012 19:34:49 GMT 12
Those ads bit misleading NZ Navy medical officers are hardly ever at sea let alone on an ops room or boarding parties, flight deck officer etc. Is the Air Force salute same as the Army hand wave?. It is supposed to be. However thare are a few variations that are strictly unofficial and some officious officers didn't have a sense of humour about them. I remember one LAC who ripped of a very good Luftwaffe salute to a officer who went absolutely nato over it. We had been watching the Battle of Britain with a few ales. Resulted in a Charge Section 61 of the Air Force Act good order and discipline etc. I was very well acquainted with that act and no it wasn't me. |
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