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Post by jonesy on Mar 9, 2012 8:20:02 GMT 12
When I was posted onto squadron one of the first things to do was a 0000 course, which was basically a safety overview of that particular aircraft, and required a full understanding of those aspects before commencing work on them.
Now, where on earth did that name (0000) come from, is it a local or international type of thing, and is it still done now?
I would imagine the safety briefs now would be huge wouldnt they?
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Post by skyhawkdon on Mar 9, 2012 9:10:24 GMT 12
From memory it was a standard RNZAF coding system for trade authorisations. Each trade subsystem had its own series, eg Aircraft Trade engines was 3000, Avionics Trade electrical was 5000 (not real numbers as I can't remember them but you get the idea!). 0000 was standard no matter what trade you were or aircraft type you were working on.
They were great courses back in the day. I really enjoyed teaching them - you certainly had people's attention as failing a 0000 course wasn't a good look, especially the "Safety Fail" questions! I suppose these days they are all PowerPoint presentations with lots of videos/animations?
When I was on 75 we did an unnanounced SKY 0000 test on a training day to see how much people actually remembered! From memeory there were a few "interesting" results and afterwards a few of the more experience hands on Squadron were scrambling to read the SS&RPs to refresh their memories! ;D
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Post by camtech on Mar 9, 2012 10:44:39 GMT 12
Yes Don, you are correct.
Each trade had specific numbers in the thousand range with systems, sub-systems and components having a further breakdown. Being around when the system was introduced I can remeber it well.
Electrical was 4000, Instruments were 5000, The Auto pilot on the Andover for example was 5204. 5000 - Instrument system, 200 - Flight Control systems, 04 - SEP2c Autopilot as fitted to the Andover.
The 0000 course replaced what used to be called APG (Air Plane General) or ABC )Aircraft Basic Course) which were terms introduced on the arrival of the C130, P3B, Iroquois era.
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Post by lesterpk on Mar 9, 2012 13:37:25 GMT 12
I though it was related to the 4 digit code for the aircraft system. eg safety equipment generally went in 2540. So if you were logging an item onto an aircraft you had to put it in the right slot in the computer. The 0000 was the aircraft master and referred to the whole frame.
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Post by camtech on Mar 9, 2012 14:01:11 GMT 12
The codes are inter related, as in your case, the 2000 series relates to the airframe of the aircraft, the 540 would relate to a specific system/item/location and aircraft specific details.
Made life easier when people were signed as competent on a system, specific piece of equipment, or a procedure (SNCO Independent checks for example).
A 0000 course was for all trades, before they could even be signed out to carry out any flight line maintenance. In emergency we would do a 1 on 1 course to ensure we met the NZAP requirements.
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Post by beagle on Mar 9, 2012 15:24:27 GMT 12
I just pulled my career notes and I see I did a STR 0000 but never worked on them, can't remember that one.
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Post by 14liney on Mar 11, 2012 10:57:55 GMT 12
When I was posted to 14 in 1967 I never received training of any kind. You learned on the job so I am happy to hear that has changed.
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Post by beagle on Mar 11, 2012 19:51:45 GMT 12
1967, what was a pie at the "Joe Wagon" then
two pence
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Post by 14liney on Mar 12, 2012 11:01:08 GMT 12
Good question...those days are kind of blurry something that Shorty can attest to!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 12, 2012 13:14:14 GMT 12
Beagle, if that was indeed the price then it would only have been for the first half of the year as New Zealand decimalised on 10 July 1967.
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Post by shorty on Mar 12, 2012 13:48:14 GMT 12
My first decimal purchase was a pie from the Hobbie Joe Wagon. Think it was 10 cents
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 12, 2012 16:47:12 GMT 12
So would that equate to a pre-decimal pie being a shilling then?
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Post by jonesy on Mar 12, 2012 18:32:07 GMT 12
I'm going to deviate here but MMMMMMM the Joe Wagon was superb! Where else could you work, and they bring the junk food to YOU?? Always good remedy for a hangover at work...  |
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Post by beagle on Mar 12, 2012 19:22:18 GMT 12
And it always seemed to be women that served you from the van, and if you were a regular they more or less knew what you wanted before you asked.
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Post by beagle on Mar 12, 2012 19:31:37 GMT 12
And here is an image I found of the whenuapai Joe Wagon of 1967 Must have been summer and this was doing the afternoon run with mainly ice creams.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 12, 2012 19:34:56 GMT 12
I hated the Joe Wagon queue at No. 4TTS though, it always seemed like a couple of hundred people lined up. ;D It sucked when you finally got to the front of the line and there was no pies left. Woodbourne had Renwick pies, which were always sooooo goooood!
I'm sure some civvie places have the same thing as a Joe Wagon, don't they? It was a great idea though, and made the AFCC a lot of money I'd guess.
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