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Post by thebrads on Mar 15, 2012 19:38:36 GMT 12
The Tempest was in part designed to make up for some of the Typhoon's poor high altitude performance. The thinner wing was also partly modelled on the Spitfire, as apparently Camm felt that by this time the RAF wouldn't buy anything that "wasn't a spitfire". (can't remember where i read that). However,the thinner wing meant less fuel, so a tank was put in front fuse to make up for, resulting in the longer fuse. The fuse structure didn't change a whole lot, remaining with the monocoque rear fuse, with tubular front, which hadn't changed in basic design philosophy from the Hind/Hart days. (Sea/Fury was first to be fully monocoque).
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Post by nuuumannn on Mar 16, 2012 0:35:51 GMT 12
Nae Botha Dave
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Post by gunny on Mar 16, 2012 1:07:44 GMT 12
Thank you Gents i always thought they were almost interchangable except wings.
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Post by Brett on Mar 16, 2012 17:59:09 GMT 12
JP843 out of RAF Shawbury.
Photo taken at RIAT 2004 - Fairford.
Cheers,
Brett
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Post by ZacYates on Mar 17, 2012 16:21:58 GMT 12
Thanks Brett! I shall have to look it up.
And now back to the Tempest Mk.II
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Post by pioneer on Mar 21, 2012 13:32:26 GMT 12
Hi All, glad to see we have raised some interest with this news. It looks as though the preceding posts have most of the details nailed. Great news is that once completed it will be based here at Ardmore. We like the rest of you are looking forward to an interesting time returning this fine warbird to the sky. A plea; if any of you are active on Warbirdz.Net forum we would love to get in contact with Mr Chris the US based owner of MW 404. Great site Dave keep up the good work.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 21, 2012 14:34:39 GMT 12
Thanks pioneer, it's great to have you posting here.
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Post by fwx on Mar 21, 2012 15:43:24 GMT 12
Wow, thanks pioneer, that's great news that it will be based here in Auckland!
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setter1
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Post by setter1 on Mar 21, 2012 17:59:29 GMT 12
Pioneer Send me a message for Mr Chris and I will send him a PM for you - he is infrequent on the Warbirdz site Kind regards and well done on the Tempest John
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Post by pioneer on Mar 21, 2012 21:24:37 GMT 12
Hi Setter1, Just trying to establish contact with him, thinking that a combined approach to these rebuilds may be of mutual benefit to all. We can be contacted via email anytime pioneeraero.co.nz Thanks for your assistance.
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Post by setter1 on Mar 22, 2012 10:07:53 GMT 12
Hi I have sent a PM to Mr Chris with your contact details Hopefully he will get in touch with you and / or me Kind regards John
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Post by nuuumannn on Mar 23, 2012 11:59:33 GMT 12
Power to yer elbow, Pioneer! I thought these might be of interest to forum users: A short clip of a Tempest II in flight. I think the voice over at the end might be (might be wrong too) Bruce Dickinson, who, apart from being British rock group Iron Maiden's lead singer is also something of a plane nut. I've seen documentaries with him narrating before. The aircraft is LA602, the Tempest II prototype. This one is a recognition film featuring a 486 Sqn Tempest V with great engine sounds:
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Post by John L on Mar 23, 2012 15:05:47 GMT 12
A fascinating little film about Tempest 5 hydraulics and fault finding...
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Post by ZacYates on Mar 25, 2012 17:28:14 GMT 12
Cool videos! I quite like the recognition one, especially being able to hear a Sabre for the first time. I should politely ask Mr Weeks via Facebook to get 'er done!
The current issue of Scale Aviation Modeller International has a great feature on late Tempests (VI and II) including advice on the available kits. It's well worth checking out if anyone else is considering investing in a Tempest kit.
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Post by fb6 on Mar 26, 2012 13:29:30 GMT 12
Wow, awesome videos guys, thank you! And especially thanks to Pioneer Aero, challenged to restore this really unique aircraft...
I guess some of us would wish it were a Tempest V, as our own 486 Sqn. chaps flew these so successfully in combat- Apparently the late production version of these were fitted with the Sabre VII, which had water/methanol injection and this enabled over 3000 hp to be pulled for up to 5 mins. An interesting point also was that much of the credit for this engine was due to the rival Bristol Co. which managed to use sleeve valves designed for the Bristol Taurus engine as a basis for reliable Sabre valve gear...
Now why this point is so interesting is we nearly didn't have a Tempest II ! -
The very man who initially championed the DH Mosquito to be accepted for trials and production, Sir Wilfrid Freeman, czar of procurement during the War, intensely disliked Bristol radial engines. In October 1941 Hawker was allowed to fit a Centaurus in the then Tornado, as by this time the whole RR Vulture engine programme had collapsed. This aircraft [HG641] not only flew better, more quietly and more reliably than any of the others but also was clearly the fastest. The Typhoon then was only just capable of reaching 400 mph, whereas the Tornado with Centaurus quickly reached 421 mph, faster than any other aircraft in the world at that time, and with proper development would have gone faster. In July 1942 Hawker's designer, Sydney Camm had at last managed to fit a Centaurus into the thin-winged Typhoon II, later called Tempest, but Freeman immediately ordered it taken out again; the Centaurus-Tempest was kept on the ground until August 1943, seriously delaying the one really successful fighter in the entire family, which later led to the post-war Fury & Sea Fury. Instead, Hawker had to soldier on with the then hopelessly unreliable Sabre, it's overhaul period in early ''Tiffies'' was but a mere 25 hours!
Had the RAF gone on with the ''Tiger Force'' contribution against Japan, the Tempest II would have indeed been a potent addition to it's strength - At 440 max mph, it could reach 20,000 ft in 5 mins, and a max range of 805 miles [clean] or 1640 miles with drop tanks...
I for one are humbly grateful to now know that we here in NZ will have this very rare and superlative piston-engined fighter resident for us to enjoy! -Accolades to the visionary owner for endowing yet again our country with but another very special warbird !
Cheers
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Post by pioneer on Mar 27, 2012 15:11:48 GMT 12
Some great video's and information appearing about the Tempest, all good to see.
We are now in contact with Mr Chris in the USA who is about to start restoring MW 404 hopefully this will be a beneficial contact for all parties.
We would love to hear from anyone with any manuals or drawings of the Tempest or Centaurus Mk 5 engine or indeed anything that could help us project wise
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Post by baz62 on Mar 27, 2012 17:08:04 GMT 12
Here's a walk-round of the RAF Museum's Tempest II:
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Post by ozfuryfan on Mar 28, 2012 2:26:40 GMT 12
Hi Pioneer,great to see you on here,look forward to seeing pics of the Tempest. Re manuals,would it be worth an email to museums in the UK and even the Indian Air force museum to see if they have one you could copy? Most of one Tempest has been restored in the UK,I am sure that their CAA would not have allowed this work to proceed without manuals,maybe this is another possibility.Just a thought,best wishes for the project,Pete
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Post by johnpip on May 6, 2012 17:33:43 GMT 12
Can you tell me more about the Hawker Tempest restoration project
Johnpip
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Post by Andy Wright on May 7, 2012 9:43:33 GMT 12
There's a news article in the latest Classic Wings complete with photo.
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