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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 19, 2012 22:45:37 GMT 12
This topic covers both WWII and post-WWII.
The following RNZAF Squadron types have been used in actual combat against an enemy. Have I missed any?
WWII Pacific and Far East
Hurricane
Buffalo
Warhawk
Corsair
Dauntless
Avenger
Hudson
Ventura
Short Singapore
WWII Europe
Spitfire
Hurricane
Typhoon
Tempest
Blenheim
Beaufighter
Mosquito
Hampden
Wellington
Stirling
Lancaster
Postwar
Vampire
Venom
Canberra
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Post by flyjoe180 on Mar 20, 2012 7:53:05 GMT 12
By 'against an enemy' do you mean offensively? As in delivering ordnance?
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Post by sparrow on Mar 20, 2012 7:59:00 GMT 12
I remember my teacher telling me(in the mid-80's)of walking to school,and looking into the bay from a hill saw what appeared to be a large log(to a childs mind),then a hatch opened and men climbed out. They informed their teacher,and some time later a Tiger Moth(again,from a child's memory),flew over to have a look,but the 'log' was gone. So,if not actually attacking,at least it went up to have a nosy  |
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Post by jonesy on Mar 20, 2012 8:16:58 GMT 12
By 'against an enemy' do you mean offensively? As in delivering ordnance? I'm guessing you're implying the warning shots fired by the Skyhawk at the rogue fishing boat? Yeah I'd say thats combat. Combat doesnt necessarily mean the other guy shoots back |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Mar 20, 2012 8:18:20 GMT 12
That was what I was thinking jonesy.
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Post by silverfox on Mar 20, 2012 8:58:27 GMT 12
Catalina in both Theatres
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Post by silverfox on Mar 20, 2012 8:59:14 GMT 12
Catalina in both Theatres
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Post by vs on Mar 20, 2012 11:38:52 GMT 12
Sunderland?
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Post by nuuumannn on Mar 20, 2012 11:43:51 GMT 12
Ventura in ETO as well.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 20, 2012 14:09:30 GMT 12
I was unsure about the Catalinas and Sunderlands of No. 490 Squadron as both the veterans I've spoken to from that unit said the squadron never saw a thing in their hundreds of patrols. Maybe there was something attacked however?
I had forgotten that a No. 6 Squadron Catalian sunk a Jap submarine.
Good point of the Ventura too.
Sparrow, that 'Tiger Moth' may have been a Baffin or Vincent - NZ's frontline defence against submarines and other nasties in the first part of WWII. They were scrambled many, many times after reported sightings like that. I'd be interested to know where your teacher was living at that time he saw the log/mini-sub.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Mar 21, 2012 12:07:37 GMT 12
dave,
you could add a tiger moth to the pacific war arena as we had one in singapore and it is believed that it was used for reconnaissance and light bombing (grenades) before it was destroyed
Paul
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 21, 2012 12:21:16 GMT 12
Remind me of the definition of 'RNZAF Squadron' (obviously includes 48n/49n squadrons), and the examples that were in Singapore?
Once we have figured out the list of types, we should perhaps add notes for those non-obvious ones, citing an example squadron and date. Then we can point people at the list if a question comes up in the future.
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Post by shorty on Mar 21, 2012 13:01:20 GMT 12
Would the Freighters going in and out of Viet nam count? At least one had a bullet hole as a result.
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Post by Bruce on Mar 21, 2012 13:56:48 GMT 12
Pre-war:
DH60 moth in Samoa Circa 1929(?) armed with lewis gun, attacked "Rebel" boat with improvised bomb.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 21, 2012 14:28:45 GMT 12
"Remind me of the definition of 'RNZAF Squadron' "
I wrote it like that so people wouldn't say 'Well such and such flew Baltimores in xxx squadron and he was in the RNZAF..." - I meant types attached to actual RNZAF squadrons.
I'm still not convinced that shooting at a fishing boat is actual combat against an enemy?
I guess flying into a combat zone and being shot at, like Shorty's Freighter scenario, does count though.
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Post by jonesy on Mar 21, 2012 14:52:33 GMT 12
[quote author=admin board=Wartime thread=15793 post=151686 time=1332296925I'm still not convinced that shooting at a fishing boat is actual combat against an enemy?
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They were murdering fish inside our EEZ. That makes them the enemy. In broad sense.
No declaration of war at the time tho, so you may be correct, Dave.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Mar 21, 2012 16:41:25 GMT 12
hi Shorty,
nearly right, the freighter that collected a bullet hole was NZ5906 on 13 october 1965 when it strayed over the indonesian border during a supply drop in Borneo. the patch was still evident when it was retired
cheers
Paul
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