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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 13, 2012 16:24:57 GMT 12
Here is something interesting, Parts of the German propaganda movie ''Titanic'' was used in the 1958 Titanic movie ''A Night to Remember''.
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Post by baz62 on Apr 13, 2012 18:45:15 GMT 12
I watched an interesting doco on the reasons why the Titanic disaster happened. Forget the chap's name but he spent a large part of his life researching it. Due to the water and air temperature variance (confirmed by readings taken by ships passing about the same time) conditions caused a mirage effect (same as what you see on a road or the desert that shimmer effect and objects appear or even be blocked from view (which is why they didn't see the iceberg on the horizon. Binoculars wouldn't have helped either for the same reason.) It also explained why the Captain of the Californian stopped approx 5 miles away saw the Titanic but the distorted view made the large ship appear about the same size as his own and made him think she was stopped due to the same reason: a wall of ice blocked his way. They even showed modern photos showing this effect and it was amazing to see. Logs from other ships (including the Californian) said it was "impossible to see where the stars ended and the sea began." Survivors also mentioned how the starts seem to twinkle more than usual. This also explained why the Titanic"s attempt to flash the morse light at the Californian didn't work, it wasn't seen as a steady flashing light but twinkled like the stars. One other myth was thrown out was that the Titanic was not very maneuverable. In fact she was fairly nimble and this didn't help when they tried to avoid the iceberg: a ship less nimble may have hit head on and she may not have sunk at all (or at least taken longer to)
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 13, 2012 19:21:47 GMT 12
That doco was great, I really liked the reports from the passing German ships who logged the effect and what they saw of the wreckage. It's a very good point he proved. What it made that freight ship look like was also amazing. Seems to me from everything I know that she was meant to go down from the start, everything wrong that could happen,happened.
In James Cameron's new doco about her, he plays a really good game that makes you think, it's one second after she hit the iceberg.What would you do different to save more lives knowing what you know now? Here are a few they came up with,
1.Drive her to the Californian while crippled.
2.Reverse her to an ice field 5 miles away and put everyone on the ice.
3.Stick together all 3,000 life jackets and place them in the front compartments.
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Post by Calum on Apr 13, 2012 19:56:09 GMT 12
Thanks, for reminding me.... 3 hours of my life I'll never get back
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 13, 2012 21:22:05 GMT 12
Come on guys, Titanic was great!! I must admit the Romeo and Juliet part can be skipped but the rest is good.
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Post by baz62 on Apr 14, 2012 11:02:11 GMT 12
Thanks, for reminding me.... 3 hours of my life I'll never get back Oh come on Calum, it was a great movie, I enjoyed it and I'm a man!! (Salmon pink Auster parts are only temporary I assure you! ;D)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 14, 2012 22:00:38 GMT 12
It was a bit predictable.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 14, 2012 23:07:01 GMT 12
hahah I'll pay that Dave.
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Post by grannygussie on Apr 15, 2012 20:34:46 GMT 12
Thanks nuuumannn for the photo's. I can't travel. Thanks for the thread start Luther Moore - and thanks for the unexpected laugh, dredging up Joan Rivers. How apt for a derelict hulk - and just as funny.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 15, 2012 23:06:39 GMT 12
I just found out that a lady in the same lifeboat as Molly Brown is buried about 5 mins from me, how interesting. Thanks or listening.
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Post by grannygussie on Apr 16, 2012 10:13:47 GMT 12
Dear Luther, do you have any more info about the dogs saved? I imagine they were little lap dogs, smuggled under wealthy womens' coats and given they may have been in lifeboats not filled - which is one of the greatest obscenities, and didn't stop anyone from being saved, I'm glad they didn't unnecessarily die. Just posted it on the chook fanciers site I visit, as I hadn't heard it before and it seems no one else there had, either. Do you know the names of the owners? I heard, ages ago, that there were binoculars on board but the officer in charge of them, was transferred or left and took the key to the cupboard. I also heard that there were binoculars on the bridge, (officers, for the use of), and no one thought there was a reason for them to be given to some sailor on lookout, when there was a cupboard for sailor's binoculars - even if it was locked. I have no idea if that info is reliable. I must admit, it's been 30 years since I took a briefly enthusiastic interest. If you can confirm or deny any of it, I'd appreciate it. Just so I can discard incorrect info retained.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 16, 2012 15:07:42 GMT 12
Hey Granny, here is what I have - The dogs saved were two Pomeranians and a Pekingese dog. One Pomeranian named Lady was brought on board by Miss Margaret Hays who wrapped the dog up in a blanket when she was asked to evacuate the ship. The second Pomeranian belonged to the Rothschild’s and the Pekingese named Sun Yat-Sen belonged to the Harpers of the New York publishing firm, Harper & Row.
The binoculars were locked in a cupboard but nobody knew where they were.They would not of made it any easier to see an ice berg anyway because of the conditions that night.
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Post by baz62 on Apr 16, 2012 16:42:49 GMT 12
It was a bit predictable. What, didn't you think the ship was going to sink? ;D
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Post by grannygussie on Apr 17, 2012 12:41:02 GMT 12
Thanks for the great detail, Luther. I hate to ask, but didn't you say 2 dogs, earlier? Does that mean you don't count Pekes as dogs? It's not their fault that insane nutters breed and boast about breeding dogs that are unsound, in their prime - and then give each other prizes. If you find a picture of a show peke - or pug, around 1900/1910, they are a much sounder, healthier dog. To us, they look like crosses. Great pity THOSE standards were so distorted. I'm a big dog person. Have a hard time shoving a deerhound up my jumper and getting into a lifeboat... That's not a dog tail... that's a genetic fault - a deformation of mine and it isn't kind of you to comment or draw attention to it... (Think I got away with it...) I've just realised, there must have been a lot more pet dogs travelling with the first class passengers, at least. They aren't even thought of,,, Borzois were a great status symbol, at the time, I think.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 17, 2012 19:13:23 GMT 12
Those facts were from a website. Keep in mind that there a a few changes in details to every story when it comes to the Titanic, nothing has one story. I suppose most things in history are like that.
There were 12 dogs all up on the ship, one pig, no cats but plenty of rats.
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Post by grannygussie on Apr 17, 2012 22:43:58 GMT 12
Wow. Impressed with detail, Luther. Thanks for that. Was the pig for eating on board, or being imported for breeding stock? If you don't know, or if it was for slaughter on board, you needn't reply. All I can offer as thank you, if you aren't aware of this, (hope it might be of interest...), is that if you read Carve Her Name With Pride, as I did...Violette has a famous 1/2 / 3/4 face shot, where she looks like Ingrid Bergman... (I wondered for 30ish years what happened to Violette's daughter, Tania, who was brought to Oz by Violette's parents. I so worried that her life ended up happy, for her parent's sake). If you google Violette Szabo, you'll come across Tania's site. When last I checked, she was still working on a book about her parents and I think she had something available, you could buy and you could get her to sign it. (I was too broke... and don't have a plastic card to pay and, in truth, still look behind the computer, to find the dog, if it's on screen. It all seems very dubious, this buying with plastic, from an invisible shop or person). It may not be interesting to you - but I'm such a saddo, that I treasure AN EMAIL from THE DAUGHTER of a man who arrived at Stalag Luft IIIb, wasn't it ?, AFTER the Great Escape. Also, I can tell you that the son of J P SUZOR is starting to try to put together his father's story and thinking of an article or book - and that should be fascinating. He was a Mauritian, who went to Britain, to volunteer, in WW2 and ended up in the same camp, as a POW. He sounds as tho' it will be a great tale. I asked his son to tell me if anything is published, but he might forget me. Hope something has been slightly interesting, as a payback.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 17, 2012 23:18:17 GMT 12
That's ok, I enjoy chatting about the Titanic. The pig was only a toy, just threw that in there as a joke hehe.
I will have a read about this lady, seems she was like the white mouse.
My Great Uncle Bernard was in a Stirling that was shot down in September 1943 after bombing Hanover, Germany. He was killed but three of his crew ended up at Stalag LuftIII after bailing out of the aircraft. I am in contact with the Grand daughter of one of Bernard's crew who was at the camp from 43-45.Unfortunately she has no stories as her Grand Father never spoke of it.
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Post by grannygussie on Apr 18, 2012 10:13:30 GMT 12
You bugger!!! There's one poor girl so excited over the dog info. She'll be insane about the pig. Luckily, I gave you all the credit of the research. Now I'll have to go back and tell her to disregard the pig and tell her you are just one big... Josher. Did you see the doco on the dead Titanic baby they identified, from DNA? A few years ago, now, I think. If I never reply to you, I'm having computer problems and cannot afford to fix or replace for a while. If you don't know of Violette or Odette Churchill, (not her real name, but saved her life...) Amazing women. Plus others, of course. My best bud's uncle was lost over Berlin, in Nov 43. He was a bombaimer, with 156 sqdn, the Pathfinders. and the lad who started me on WW2 bomber crew research, was a nav, killed March, 43. His pilot had the same nickname as someone here, SHORTY. If my comp dies before I can get back and fix up that info, you'll be responsible for chookowners across Australia, teling all their family and friends there was a live pig on the Titanic. You should change your name to Brian. You are NOT the Messiah, You're just a naughty boy.
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