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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 24, 2012 14:13:06 GMT 12
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Post by sparrow on Apr 25, 2012 7:12:26 GMT 12
Another example of the media dragging race into it,we all know what happens then.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 25, 2012 14:23:21 GMT 12
I hope some of the police involved get severely punished for the way they treated some of those involved. There's enough video evidence to show the assaults they committed.
I also still cannot fathom why the cops shot the passenger from behind, he wasn't driving!
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 25, 2012 15:35:04 GMT 12
They tried to shoot the driver as he had a lady stuck under the car and just missed alot of people.My Sister had to jump out of the way,lucky for her a security guard pulled her out of the way. Maybe they could of done without the beating of the kid on the floor but Kings Cross is a scumy place and full of drunk idiots,so i'm not suprised that a kings Cross Police officer lost control.As for the shooting,I believe the Police did the right thing..Kings cross is packed at that time of the morning and I can't imagine how many people they would of taken out.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 25, 2012 17:53:52 GMT 12
Form what I saw the passenger was shot point blank, then dragged from the car, beaten and tthen sent to hospital. Great policing.
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Post by gunny on Apr 25, 2012 20:35:38 GMT 12
I have trained regulary in panic situations for work with Glocks in 9mm and .40, and from what i have seen and heard the car was jammed at full revs as heard in the video while the woman was still underneath and the driver and passenger where trying to engage a gear at the time of shooting.
It would have been a justifyable shooting even though the Aus Weapons act states "Firing on vehicles at anytime is not reccomended, nor in most cases justified. It is difficult to stop a vehicle by shooting it or its tyres" and goes on about the car becoming out of control so not applicable here but what is is paragraph 2 "If someone using a vehicle as a weapon to assult you or a member of the public, you may be justified in defending yourself or the public with deadly force;if this is the case then the appropriate target is your attacker,not the car. You may be also justified in defending yourself against someone who is shooting at you from a vehicle.
Be certain that your decision to shoot is based on your need to defend yourself or another, and that this decision is also the best option available to you.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 25, 2012 22:12:40 GMT 12
How is shooting a passenger who's not driving justifiable? And then beating him? The cops looked like mongrel dogs.
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Post by chinapilot on Apr 26, 2012 0:43:56 GMT 12
...probably due to what they were dealing with...er, mongrel dogs...did you read what they did as well as watch the video.
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Post by haughtney1 on Apr 26, 2012 1:00:16 GMT 12
And the problem with the police dealing with these oxygen thieves is?
Yes I'd agree the policeman will have to justify his actions, but we see these actions occurring without the benefit of any context other than the start of the video itself.
I have no idea what happened in the proceeding 10, 20, 30 seconds, but if the Policeman can justify his actions....then nothing will come of it.
This reminds me of the howls of indignation when the London Met took a robust approach towards the great unwashed masses of anti-capitalist anarchists. Situations that occur in the midst of chaos and confusion are often jumped apon by the left and viewed as Police brutality.
Its simple really, don't steal a car, run up the pavement and run down innocent bystanders..and hence you can avoid a beating and potential bullet wounds.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 26, 2012 1:23:22 GMT 12
My Sister told me the Police were yelling at them to stop but they kept on driving through people so they shot into the car to stop them.They could of done without the beating but as I said beore the cross is a scumy and dangerous place ,they even have Military Police patroling the area with the Police.The police officer must of lost a bit of control when he pulled one out of the car.You think the normal cops are bad? wait till you see the Riot Police with the ''no rules'' policy in the Cross.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 26, 2012 10:47:07 GMT 12
I also saw footage quite some time later of the father of one of the boys turning upafter being called and gotten out of bed, questioning the cops as to what happened (he was shouting, but nothing else, and understandably upset) and the cops jumped on him, kncoked him to the ground and cuffed him. That to me is ridiculous policing. It's all on camera.
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Post by Luther Moore on Apr 26, 2012 18:40:41 GMT 12
I agree Dave,they did go over board.
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Post by gunny on Apr 27, 2012 2:14:38 GMT 12
As i said the driver and passenger were trying to get a gear whilst the car was redlining and a 28 yearold woman was trapped under the front, what would you do? (I would not punch whilst cuffing ((and am trained to cuff/restrain)) after a shooting,i would'nt even get close whilst they bleed without cover as a lone state gov security officer)this is passay to these officers, but if any of you go around big towns at 3-5am you will see these types ofkids that know parents cant touch them legallay nor can schools or police or the courts
So the "Father" was upset, was he upset his 14 year old son was out stealing cars at what 3-4am?? did he know or care beforehand? I see this up here where i live everynight worst was a 6year old and his 3 year old brother in nothing but nappies last winter 12deg but bloody cold with 95%humid here in winter like 6deg in Ch-Ch and they went missing 4 hours before the "parents" told anyone by thier own admissions!
Can you say "Hell in a handbasket?"
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Post by gunny on Apr 27, 2012 2:34:42 GMT 12
And i GUARNTEE this redfern "family" is very well known to the police, police here keep a very close watch on known people and they wonder why thier dumbass keep getting caught.
What about the 29 year old lady?? anyone heard about her well being??
Sidenote the "kids have been charged in special bedside court hearings, The younger male was charged under the provisions of so-called Skye's Law - using a weapon to avoid apprehension, driving in a furious manner causing injury and taking and driving a conveyance in order to evade police. The 14-year-old was also charged with robbery in company in relation to the robbery of a petrol station in Earlwood last September.
He was granted bail because of his injuries.
The other teenager was charged with being carried in conveyance and will face Bidura Children's Court on May 1.
so a slap on the wrist and heres $300,000, that'll learn them!
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Post by gunny on Apr 27, 2012 2:38:46 GMT 12
Last on this subject that may not be in the Kiwi press, the aussie police are under extreme pressure with at least 1 murder in sydney a day sometimes 2-3 all in bikie related revenge and it has spred to the Gold coast also with drive bys nightly there
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Post by ngatimozart on Apr 27, 2012 14:21:29 GMT 12
You do the crime - you do the time. The cops had no choice but to shoot given the situation. Innocent lives were being endangered. All in the vehicle are equally criminal and liable. They think they can get away with this shit & don't give two shits about how their actions impact upon others. Very self centred and selfish. The beating was a bit idiotic especially being done in public. These young people and their parents today blame everybody else for their problems when they get in trouble. "I had a bad childhood." So bloody what - you still know what is right from wrong. It is call personal responsibility and taking responsibility for your actions. Noone else is to blame so just build a bridge and get over it. Man up and take the consequences. Rant over.
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