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Post by Peter Lewis on May 3, 2012 18:33:32 GMT 12
Due to late cancellations, two or three seats:
WASC club trip WP - KT - 90 mile beach and return
Saturday 5th May
Departing Whenuapai on or before 0800hrs
Breakfast at Kaitaia
Tuatua hunting on the beach is an option.
Return around 1700hrs
Non-flying pax OK
Cost-share basis
Access to Whenuapai will be arranged
Call me, Peter 0274 520 511
First in gets the seats
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 3, 2012 19:34:46 GMT 12
Isn't 90 Mile beach part of State Highway One?
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Post by lumpy on May 3, 2012 20:02:57 GMT 12
Isn't 90 Mile beach part of State Highway One? Not sure about state highway one , but many beaches are considered public roads . Not usually a problem to get roads closed for private use ( its done all the time for motor racing ) , you just have to ask the right people . |
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Post by Bruce on May 3, 2012 23:24:53 GMT 12
Under current NZ law (not sure what it would be once seabed and foreshore legislation gets knocked out...) all beaches between high water and low water marks are public right of way, able to be used as "Highways and byways" Which includes passage of aircraft. There are one or two exceptions in the case of conservation estate, but essentially aircraft have the right to land on any NZ beach. (in practice of course you show consideration for other users and sensitive environments). As one of the "Black Sands" organising team, this is something we've checked out thoroughly!
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Post by lumpy on May 4, 2012 7:24:38 GMT 12
Under current NZ law (not sure what it would be once seabed and foreshore legislation gets knocked out...) all beaches between high water and low water marks are public right of way, able to be used as "Highways and byways" Which includes passage of aircraft. Thats interesting , so that should also mean that aircraft can operate off public roads any time they like ? Having been involved in a couple of " closed road " events , I always found it odd that it is a legal requirement to hold a current drivers licence - even though the road is closed ( and operating a non road legal machine at non legal speeds ) , would that also apply to pilots landing on a beach ( needing a drivers AND pilots licence ) ? Interesting stuff though Bruce , (I wonder if you could get a speeding ticket if you touchdown above the normal road speed limit ) ? ;D |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 4, 2012 11:43:46 GMT 12
OK I looked it up and found the beach is an often used alternative road to SH1. I thought it was actually part of SH1. I know it gets a lot of traffic including tourist buses as a Kiwi Experience bus tipped over on the beach a few years back.
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Post by Bruce on May 4, 2012 12:44:57 GMT 12
Under current NZ law (not sure what it would be once seabed and foreshore legislation gets knocked out...) all beaches between high water and low water marks are public right of way, able to be used as "Highways and byways" Which includes passage of aircraft. Thats interesting , so that should also mean that aircraft can operate off public roads any time they like ? Having been involved in a couple of " closed road " events , I always found it odd that it is a legal requirement to hold a current drivers licence - even though the road is closed ( and operating a non road legal machine at non legal speeds ) , would that also apply to pilots landing on a beach ( needing a drivers AND pilots licence ) ? Interesting stuff though Bruce , (I wonder if you could get a speeding ticket if you touchdown above the normal road speed limit ) ? ;D "Highways and Byways" is an ancient legal term it appears, and doesnt necessarily mean a "road", but route of travel. Goes back to the days of walking between locations, even driving stock. a Highway in the roading sense is defined diferently... |
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Post by The Red Baron on May 4, 2012 17:28:44 GMT 12
A road is any place the public have access to wether of right or not.
Stops people fleeing onto private property to avoid the law.
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Post by lumpy on May 4, 2012 18:57:35 GMT 12
"Highways and Byways" is an ancient legal term it appears, and doesnt necessarily mean a "road", but route of travel. Goes back to the days of walking between locations, even driving stock. a Highway in the roading sense is defined diferently... Thanks Bruce , that would seem to make sense , however it may be a bit of a " grey " area as I have seen beaches with " Limited speed " signs posted , suggesting the authorities are prepared to treat them as roads - when it suits . Any how , its great that powers that be , dont see the need to limit aircraft access to these places .  |
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Post by The Red Baron on May 4, 2012 20:03:39 GMT 12
An aircraft is also a vehicle,if you land on a road you need a WOF and a rego,and dont speed or park illegally.
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Post by lumpy on May 4, 2012 20:23:24 GMT 12
An aircraft is also a vehicle,if you land on a road you need a WOF and a rego,and dont speed or park illegally. And a drivers licence presumably ? ( I wonder what class that would be ) ?  |
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Post by gunny on May 6, 2012 0:32:19 GMT 12
hmmmm taking off again at under 100kph might incurr a speeding fine me thinks, hope the headwind is up |
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Post by gunny on May 6, 2012 0:39:00 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 6, 2012 11:33:39 GMT 12
Peter, I apologise if my remark took this thread way off it's intnded purpose. Have you managed to fill the seats yet?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on May 6, 2012 14:50:45 GMT 12
An aircraft is also a vehicle,if you land on a road you need a WOF and a rego,and dont speed or park illegally. I can remember back during the mid-1970s when a particular Cessna 185 with belly tank and spray booms was often seen in the carpark at the Te Aute pub south of Hastings on SH2. We used to jump out of that particular C185 while it was being used in its other life as a jump ship (naturally with the spray booms removed). |
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Post by kiwiduster on May 6, 2012 16:00:45 GMT 12
This ring a bell kiwithrottlejockey  They were good days and "Beat." was one of the best!! Because it was so wet in the Waipuk; area last winter we often spread fert; from back country roads. Mind you we were using a chopper!! . Will hunt out some pics |
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Post by kiwiduster on May 6, 2012 16:02:23 GMT 12
PS I think the pic is from Russel Garlicks collection.
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Post by kiwiduster on May 6, 2012 16:22:09 GMT 12
This is legal as long as the traffic can sight you from a safe distance. Traffic has right of way but they usually stop to watch the action!!  |
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on May 6, 2012 16:25:51 GMT 12
This ring a bell kiwithrottlejockey They were good days and "Beat." was one of the best!! Because it was so wet in the Waipuk; area last winter we often spread fert; from back country roads. Mind you we were using a chopper!! . Will hunt out some pics Yep....I did a lot of takeoffs in that aeroplane, but bugger all landings. And the tales about that particular aeroplane being sighted in the carpark at the Te Aute pub were absolutely true, because I saw it there myself on several occasions. You'd probably know who the number one culprit was, although I was always happy to fly anywhere with that mad bugger. Mind you, with the amount of traffic on SH2 now, you'd never get away with that these days. That straight on the highway outside the pub is very short with blind curves at each end! |
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Post by kiwiduster on May 6, 2012 16:30:35 GMT 12
On more than one ocassion i was with him. As i said great days, they would lock you up today if you tried it.!!
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