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Post by meo4 on May 22, 2012 15:10:10 GMT 12
Foreign flagged fishing boats to be banned
Foreign flagged fishing boats are to be banned over labour, safety and fisheries concerns.
The Government announced the surprise decision this afternoon amid ongoing controversy over abuses on the boats.
Primary Industries Minister David Carter and Labour Minister Kate Wilkinson said foreign-flagged fishing vessels would no longer be able to legally operate in New Zealand waters after a four-year transition period.
"The Government's decision sends a clear message that New Zealand is serious about the fair treatment of fishing crews, the safety of vessels and its international reputation for ethical and sustainable fishing practices," the ministers said.
Boats will have to be reflagged with New Zealand flags which will require them to meet New Zealand standards and requirements.
Legislation will be introduced to amend the Fisheries Act by the end of the year.
The changes will effect the 12 out of 27 New Zealand fishing companies which use foreign chartered ships.
Carter said the Government acknowledged there would be an economic impact on the companies affected but detailed analysis of the cost had not been completed.
Last year all 32 Indonesian crew on the Korean Oyang 75 walked off the fishing vessel alleging sexual and physical abuse.
A New Zealand joint ministerial inquiry earlier this year found Korean fishing charters were damaging New Zealand's international reputation.
The Ministry of Primary Industries has laid eight charges of illegally dumping fish overboard against the Oyang 77 which is owned by Korea's largest fishing company, Sajo Oyang.
Its sister ship Oyang 75 already faces 26 charges of dumping fish.
The Korean Embassy said yesterday an inter-departmental delegation would arrive in New Zealand over the next few weeks to investigate concerns with Korean-owned fishing ships.
Carter said the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade was today briefing the Korean government on the changes.
It's about time hopefully ease workload on Naval Patrol force and Orion's both enforcement and SAR.
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Post by flyinkiwi on May 22, 2012 16:05:54 GMT 12
How will that ease the workload if ships just continue fishing illegally in NZ waters? What can NZ do about it if they do? If anything this change will increase the patrol requirements on the NZDF to ensure our ban is respected and obeyed.
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Post by ngatimozart on May 22, 2012 16:49:51 GMT 12
How will that ease the workload if ships just continue fishing illegally in NZ waters? What can NZ do about it if they do? If anything this change will increase the patrol requirements on the NZDF to ensure our ban is respected and obeyed. This is a good move but methinks four years is to long a transition period and maybe two years is more appropriate. If it was me I'd give them six months end of story. Yes it will increase the workload for the Navy, Air Force and MAFish or whatever it is called now. The Navy and the Air Force will have to be far more visible in the EEZ, so I would think that the NZG may have to fast track the Hawker Beechcraft B350 (i) purchase for EEZ Maritime Patrols, with maybe a couple or three more aircraft than originally envisioned. They will also have to address the crewing issues of the IPVs as well. If the Kaman SH2G(I) Seasprite deal goes ahead then they might get a bit of use in the EEZ with the OPVs. Every way you look at it, this is going to involve increased expenditure for NZDF and the NZG is going to have to stump up with the cash. |
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Post by beagle on May 22, 2012 17:05:29 GMT 12
put some zuni rockets on that hawker hunter
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Post by ngatimozart on May 22, 2012 19:49:18 GMT 12
put some zuni rockets on that hawker hunter No, search radar in the B757s and the zuni rockets  A Māori P8 |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 22, 2012 21:16:24 GMT 12
Not as silly as it sounds, the RNZAF used Short Empire airliners to defend NZ in 1940.
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Post by beagle on May 22, 2012 21:53:59 GMT 12
You could put a big bomb bay in the 757 and do some carpet bombing or a lazer designator and use JDAMS
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Post by phil82 on May 23, 2012 9:10:57 GMT 12
You do realise that the end result of all of this will be some very expensive fish? A supermarket piece of fresh Groper or Blue Cod today is well over $40-00 a kilo, ....in a few years that will double!
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Post by strikemaster on May 23, 2012 12:36:10 GMT 12
Probably means less Kiwi fish in Aussie too. Better stock up.......
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Post by Peter Lewis on May 23, 2012 16:41:49 GMT 12
You do realise that the end result of all of this will be some very expensive fish? There are some things about this country I really do not understand. It really puzzles me that in a place that is a few small islands surrounded by what must be the largest and least polluted ocean in the world, fish is so hard to get and so expensive. In the supermarkets in Auckland, the fresh fish selection offered for sale is appallingly poor. Apart form shellfish, a few pieces of elderly shark is about it. You do have make a special trip down to the Viaduct Harbour to get any choice at all. And the price . . . I really do not understand it. Given our location, fish should be really plentiful and incredibly cheap. Expensive fish should be expected in Alice Springs or Switzerland, but in NZ? I can only hypothesize that there must be incredible mis-management in the system somewhere. The usual response, of course, is that 'we can get these prices overseas, so you have to match that price on the local market'. Then, when the overseas price does drop, the local price must be further increased to make up for the lower prices on the exports. Spare me! Have you tried to buy a woollen jersey recently. I don't mean cheapo acrylic or polyester, but real keep-you-warm all winter pure wool? Again, for a country with so many sheep, it is practically impossible to do so. All that is available in Auckland is tourist-trap woolen jerseys with kiwis, lambs and fern-leaf decoration at a price of four to five hundred dollars. Nothing suitable for everyday wear. When I was in the South Island last year, we visited Waimate and found a factory shop that sold real woollen jerseys suitable for daily wear at $50 or so. I bought two, and when I asked why these were unavailable in Auckland all I got was a blank look. There is something really badly wrong with our retail markets. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 23, 2012 17:46:44 GMT 12
Well the fish in our supermarket, despite what the label says, is not fresh. Most commercial fishing boats catch the fish in our waters, and snap freeze it. They continue fishing and will be at sea for many months, whilst your "fresh" fish his frozen ion their hold. And then a great proportion of those fishing boats once full will head to China or Japan, where the fish is thawed, cleaned and filleted, then it's snap frozen again, put on another ship and sent back to NZ where it then ends up in the supermarket. You are paying for the freezing costs, the travel miles and the invconvenience of modern commercial fishing.
I have a good mate who's a captain on the bigger fishing boats and he says the crew and especially the captains get an embarrassingly huge paycheck too, so that also comes from the price in Countdown.
Frankly I don't eat it supermarket fish, it's not fresh at all and I am dead against the catching and processing methods, especially when you see these fishing boat gansters breaking all the rules and abusing their crews. The closest I get is the very occasional fish and chips gurnard, maybe a once in a while McD's Filet of Fish.
Occasionally I might get actual fresh fish which I've or a friend has caught ourselves. Not often nowadays though. In Auckland you could go down to the waterfront any day and catch decent fish for no cost. We cannot do that here being landlocked it's a mission to go surf casting.
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Post by meo4 on May 23, 2012 21:27:21 GMT 12
Spot on should remove legal loop hole for these charters to operate in NZ Waters should remove significant amount of foreign vessels reducing the number of boardings by Navy Mfish and allowing fish stock to recover. Basically if it's not NZ flagged vessel it's a IUU vessel in NZ waters and its good to prosecute. Would be good to have a automatic identification on NZ vessels make easier to track and a system for NZ vessels to report in incursions by foreign vessels so they can be prosecuted. www.fish.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/90CFB8CC-C98C-42CB-A7C5-30A96AEE09E2/0/Talley_FCV_Submission_vol15a.pdf |
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Post by ngatimozart on May 24, 2012 10:41:19 GMT 12
The other thing that is a driver in the rise of fish price is the quota system and the way that it's managed. Back in the day you could buy locally sourced fresh fish off the bot when it pulled up alongside no problems. Now you can't because of the rules and compliance issues. It is the compliance issues that have an effect upon the cost of the fish in the shop. It's a heck of a lot of paper work. I've done boardings of FFVs inside NZs EEZ with MAFFish inspectores and we'd go down to the freezer holds and they would check what was printed on the cartons. Trouble was our wet weather gear would freeze solid and that made the climbing of ladder to get out very interesting. Winter of the West Coast of the South Island used to make for Interesting times |
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Post by strikemaster on May 24, 2012 12:09:13 GMT 12
A lot of the frozen (and even fresh) fish in Aussie is Kiwi fish. Hoki etc. Could be another reason why its harder to get back home. Last I Looked Mainland cheese was cheaper over here than it is in NZ. All down to exports and volume from what I can guess. More kiwi fish sold overseas means less on the shelves at pack'n save.
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