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Post by lesterpk on Nov 13, 2012 1:44:02 GMT 12
Oj - check your messages, I sent you a PM about 5 days ago with the answer.
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fergi
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Post by fergi on Nov 13, 2012 6:09:56 GMT 12
Will the rest of us get to know the answer?
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Post by phil on Nov 13, 2012 7:06:59 GMT 12
S&S? Did our trade touch these things? I have never seen one, but then I never worked on No. 40 Squadron - Beagle? And I don't know how many are at question here either - I think you ask a good question and I'd like to know the answer too. S&S? I think the Armourers look after them to some extent, but no, I don't know anything about the incident (other than hearing about it second hand), I was at Ohakea at the time. And probably on leave. Or at least in the toilet at the time...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 13, 2012 7:25:49 GMT 12
Haha, you should be a politician Phil, great covering there.
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Post by lesterpk on Nov 13, 2012 12:24:17 GMT 12
Will the rest of us get to know the answer? Maybe not, someone who I believe, posted the answer in the thread a couple of weeks ago, it only stayed up for an hour or two but I saw it (maybe due to my time difference) before it got taken down. Possibly that person had second thoughts about giving out the information publicly so I am respecting that and not repeating the number here in public.
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fergi
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Post by fergi on Nov 13, 2012 12:27:14 GMT 12
Thanks for that answer Lester and a fair one indeed.
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Post by oj on Nov 13, 2012 19:48:28 GMT 12
Thanks Lester, I didn't notice my PM's. Must check that area at each log-in.
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 13, 2012 20:33:33 GMT 12
10 green canisters sitting on a plane, 10 green canisters sitting on a plane, if one green canister should accidentally ignite, there'll be nine green canisters smouldering on a plane.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 13, 2012 20:59:16 GMT 12
;D
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Post by baronbeeza on Nov 15, 2012 7:51:54 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2012 8:34:34 GMT 12
Dave, na we didn't touch them. Not technical enough for us at S&S
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2012 9:04:15 GMT 12
That is what I thought, cheers Beagle.
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Post by mowgli on Nov 26, 2012 14:42:58 GMT 12
I thought the fact the cannisters was carried was moot. It happened, no one died, get over it.
I thought the real story was how it was covered up once before thus leading to the same thing happening again. A "safety" culture that can't learn from its mistakes is a safety system in crisis.
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Post by ngatimozart on Nov 26, 2012 18:06:36 GMT 12
I thought the fact the cannisters was carried was moot. It happened, no one died, get over it. That ignores the fact that a potential incident could have occured which could have impacted upon the stuctural integrity of the aircraft putting crew and pax in danger. The RNZAF broke more than one law and IIRC contravened IATA regulations concerning the transport by air of dangerous goods. So it is most definitely not moot. The story is IMHO of two parts. The first as I have explained above and the second as you have explained about the subsequent backsliding by the RNZAF in acknowledging the error of its ways in this matter.
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Post by mowgli on Nov 27, 2012 5:36:28 GMT 12
The story is IMHO of two parts. The first as I have explained above and the second as you have explained about the subsequent backsliding by the RNZAF in acknowledging the error of its ways in this matter. I now see you are quite right. There are safety systems beyond the RNZAF that ought to be shored up. Individual prosecution for the failures is unlikely as too much time has elapsed. However knowledge of the details may prevent a recurrence.
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