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Post by The Red Baron on Oct 30, 2012 12:22:13 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 30, 2012 12:56:13 GMT 12
"and shoved his head against the cockpit"
Um, what?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 30, 2012 12:58:41 GMT 12
"Valiyapeediyekal .... was doing his first solo controlled flight on June 25, above Palmerston North..... Singh was seated next to him and had a set of controls"
So students do their solo, um, not solo these days? I thought the instructor was not meant to be in the aircraft when a student soloed?
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Post by philip on Oct 30, 2012 13:49:22 GMT 12
Sounds like my first piano teacher and she was a nun (rubs knuckles)
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bigal
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Post by bigal on Oct 30, 2012 14:09:58 GMT 12
So whats wrong with that?
Isn't disciplining students with the fuel dipstick considered ops normal ;D ;D ;D
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Post by flyinkiwi on Oct 30, 2012 14:35:49 GMT 12
"Valiyapeediyekal .... was doing his first solo controlled flight on June 25, above Palmerston North..... Singh was seated next to him and had a set of controls" So students do their solo, um, not solo these days? I thought the instructor was not meant to be in the aircraft when a student soloed? I read that section of the article 4 times to make sure I was reading it right. I speculate it might be a paraphrasing of what was said in court, because if it isn't it's yet another example of the exemplary aviation reporting in the mainstream media this country is famous for.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 30, 2012 15:11:39 GMT 12
Perhaps training aircraft should have cockpit cameras and intercom recorders installed so the students can be shown what they did right or wrong later, and so instructors' methods can also be kept in check. If there was any complaint like this then, it could easily prove one way or another.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Oct 30, 2012 15:25:21 GMT 12
Hahaha.....did anyone else at this forum ever take any flying lessons from Peter Kidd at Bridge Pa? He was a bloody good instructor, but some of his methods of dealing with students could be a bit full-on, although it was verbal rather than physical. But he used to drum stuff into you so you never forgot it, although some flying students decided they couldn't handle his methods and gave flyiing away.
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Post by Bruce on Oct 30, 2012 16:55:40 GMT 12
I got confused around the "Folded Wings flight training academy" sounds like a good name...
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Post by voidhawk9 on Oct 30, 2012 19:54:59 GMT 12
Ah, Wings... an interesting place to be an instructor. We got paid. Occasionally. Sometimes is somewhat arbitrary amounts. Haven't been there for over 5 years now, it was a reasonable place to get one's 'first break' I suppose.
RP's teaching methods perhaps better reflected how he was taught in the IAF many years ago, rather than what is considered acceptable today.
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Post by lumpy on Oct 30, 2012 20:44:11 GMT 12
I did have my hand litterally slaped by an instructor once ! ( although I should piont out that my hand was on the throttle ( which was at idle ) , when my instructor thought that full throttle might be a better way to clear the boundary fence ) .
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Post by slackie on Oct 31, 2012 12:08:20 GMT 12
I had a "grumpy" instructor once... but the "grumpy" bit was just a front... fantastic chap who would break out whistling and singing on sea shanty's at the drop of a hat. I kept forgetting to turn the carb heat off on short finals, and it was only he who cured me... on a pre-solo check I'd forgotten the carb heat on 3 successive circuits... on the 4th on short finals he bellowed at me "C-A-R-B H-E-A-T!!!" and pulled the dipstick out of the back of the seat.... on climb out he said, "Right... the next time you forget the carb heat you'll feel what the dipstick feels like when wealded in anger!".... that very next short finals I had a sneaking suspicion that I'd forgotten something when I noticed out of the corner of my eye the dipstick being slapped into his other palm... I have never EVER forgotten the carb heat ever since!!! And "Bleak's" is probably the best instructor I have ever flown with... always got the best out of me... would leave the aircraft in a full sweat knowing I had worked my ring-gear off, but happy having enjoyed the progress achieved... a true (if unorthodox!) gent!
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Post by The Red Baron on Oct 31, 2012 13:19:45 GMT 12
One of my instructors used to be fond of the saying "They can teach monkeys to fly".....you were never sure if that was for encouragement or summing up your flying ability.
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Post by craig on Oct 31, 2012 13:26:52 GMT 12
Isn't it funny that we perhaps all have memories of "to the point" instructors. Probably saved more than one of our lives.... Bugger this PC world we now have to endure
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Oct 31, 2012 19:12:12 GMT 12
Hahaha.....did anyone else at this forum ever take any flying lessons from Peter Kidd at Bridge Pa? He was a bloody good instructor, but some of his methods of dealing with students could be a bit full-on, although it was verbal rather than physical. But he used to drum stuff into you so you never forgot it, although some flying students decided they couldn't handle his methods and gave flyiing away. I did, in fact I thought of PLH Kidd when I saw this forum title ;D He was a grumpy old shi'ite at times, hillarious to get on the turps with on the rare occasion he'd stop at the club bar for a few hours after work! He whacked me on the knuckles with his (unlit) pipe... had the desired effect  |
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Oct 31, 2012 20:08:06 GMT 12
After a discussion post-flight on the value of having an aiming point during a landing approach my debrief comment to my student this afternoon was "If it looks like you're going to land in the hedge, you're below profile". To the point perhaps, but he got the message and I'm sure he'll remember next time he's looking a bit low on the approach! I'm certainly not an advocate of physical violence although I've threatened a couple of my students with dip-stick attention in the past, incidentally usually for carb-heat related offenses. Purely in jest but they don't have to know that.  |
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Post by davidd on Nov 1, 2012 13:00:20 GMT 12
Not my personal experience, but of its veracity I have no doubt. I won't mention the "gentleman's" name (although he died about 5 years ago), but he was employed by the Canterbury Aero Club in the very early 1950s when Tiger Moths were still (just!) the main elementary trainer in clubs throughout NZ. He had a VERY loud voice and had no need of the Gosport tube. He could be heard berating his hapless (erring!) pupils from the ground as they flew overhead. My informant tells me that as well as hearing this "voice in the sky", he also experienced much closer to hand, and was thus at the receiving end of this monstrous (and obsenity littered) voice in flight - it was truly horrendous, and completely detrimental to any confidence you thought you possessed.
David D
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mgmike
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Post by mgmike on Nov 3, 2012 10:39:42 GMT 12
I suspect anyone who has learned to fly has some stories about flying instructors. I only ever had two instructors I didn't want to fly with again - both good pilots but not the best at communicating with people. The instructor I had through most of my flying was just brilliant - quiet, calm, thoroughly nice, and not prone to talking incessantly!!! In my early stages of Cub flying (first taildragger) I asked the instructor how he stayed so calm through some of my highly dodgy landings. His reply was a classic - "People have tried to kill me in so many different ways over the years that I don't get nervous anymore" !!!
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Post by sqwark2k on Nov 3, 2012 18:56:42 GMT 12
Not uncommon in other parts of the world unfortunately. The Hong Kong/Chinese do it, they get pretty excited about their first "ghost" solo, and I'm not surprised the Indians do it either.....
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Post by The Red Baron on Dec 22, 2012 7:59:39 GMT 12
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