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Post by grubbyfingers on Dec 3, 2012 10:54:29 GMT 12
Hi Guys, I'm a newbie here and I'm hoping for some help. I'm in the process of creating some CT-4 profile illustrations, including the Red Checkers machines.
I've been looking for a clear reference image of the Pilot Training Squadron (?) emblem on the tail of some of the Red Checkers machines. The ram's head in the starburst.
Is anyone able to help me with a clear pic of this emblem? Any help much appreciated.
Grubby.
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Post by grubbyfingers on Dec 3, 2012 11:07:39 GMT 12
The pic didn't work. I'll try again...  |
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Post by grubbyfingers on Dec 3, 2012 11:11:12 GMT 12
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Post by grubbyfingers on Dec 3, 2012 11:12:00 GMT 12
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Post by grubbyfingers on Dec 3, 2012 11:12:31 GMT 12
Success!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 12:21:47 GMT 12
There's this shot of them at Hamilton airport. Taken by Ykato   |
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Post by Ykato on Dec 3, 2012 13:21:02 GMT 12
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Post by grubbyfingers on Dec 3, 2012 23:51:37 GMT 12
Guys, that's spot on! Thank you so much.
Grubby.
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Post by davidd on Dec 8, 2012 11:46:35 GMT 12
Don't forget the Airtrainers usually had the CFS badge (with the self-inflicted bleeding pelican!) on the other side of the fin, as both units used the same aircraft as required! And yes, PTS really does mean Pilot Training Squadron and not School, unlike CFS, which WAS a School.
David D
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Post by kiwiduster on Dec 8, 2012 12:19:01 GMT 12
Here is the CFS badge. Cheers  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 8, 2012 14:20:33 GMT 12
What is the story behind both symbols, the ram, and the pelican?
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Post by davidd on Dec 9, 2012 8:01:54 GMT 12
The pelican myth (and it is a myth) is that the female of the species will do everything within her power to succour her young, to the extent of pecking her own breast to provide nourishment for her young. Great story, don't know who started it, or where or when (the Greeks maybe?), but pelicans just don't do that! Blood might be very nourishing food (fleas, mosquitos, leechces, vampire bats will testify to this), but I think baby birds of all kinds need a bit of roughage too! Don't know about the ram, although it may date to Theo de Lange's time as Wigram CO in late 1950s when he brought out the infamous "Wigram tie", a genuine tie with repeated motifs of a ram's head, wearing a wig (get it?) However the ram of the badge does not seem to have a wig, so probably barking up the wrong tree AND chasing too many wild geese as well!
Should not the background to these badges be in the appropriate official RNZAF publication? Unit badges always have official descriptions and reason behind the design and its significance.
David D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 9, 2012 17:22:40 GMT 12
Great story, don't know who started it, or where or when (the Greeks maybe?), Sounds like something Walt Disney Corporation would make up - like when their Lemmings mass suicide myth nonsense. Sorry, no I don't get it. |
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Post by Naki on Dec 9, 2012 20:50:33 GMT 12
Wig Ram
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 9, 2012 21:21:36 GMT 12
Aha, good one!
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Post by SEAN on Dec 10, 2012 5:18:55 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2012 7:07:40 GMT 12
Thanks for these Sean.
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