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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 18, 2007 16:09:42 GMT 12
If an aircraft or fleet of aircraft is sold by the Air Force, do all the Form 700 logbooks going back to the day they first flew go with the aircraft to the new owners?
If so, is a duplicate kept by the RNZAF as a historical record? I can imagine a Form 700 can provide an incredible technical history of an aircraft, as well as a social history (such as who flew it and when).
What about if the aircraft is sold to a scrap dealer, is the form kept then? Or does the scrappie get it?
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Post by Bruce on Feb 18, 2007 17:11:28 GMT 12
As far as documentation goes for civil ops, the Form 700s are not needed, provided the flight times are recorded and the total time at Civilianisation is recorded as the start of the Civil logbooks. The Military maintenance logs are required however, and this needs to be checked against civilian requirements to ensure all requirements are met (in most cases they are actually exceeded - but after combat service this may not be the case). The miltary logs are required by the new owners, but component lifes, inspection phases etc will need transferring to the new logs. I would think copies would be kept by the military. Actual worksheets etc do not need to go and would remain military property. I would imagine that on certain aircraft the form 700s would be confidential due to the nature of specific missions, therefore only the flight times go across. (Civilian airframe and powerplant logs do not actually record very much detail about specific flights anyway). The maintenance logs are not allowed to travel in the aircraft they refer to, in case of accident etc.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Feb 19, 2007 9:29:57 GMT 12
In terms of the Macchi and A-4 sale yes all the old F700's and other paper maintenance records were going as part of the sale package, including all the ex RAN and USN documantation for the A-4's. I don't believe anything is kept for historical purposes. As you can image, for the A-4 all this documentation fills a large room! Of course there is also the electronic maintenance records (ALIS since 1991) which go with the aircraft. Although I'm not sure how useful they will be unless the buyer also buys the ALIS software. I believe ALIS is being retained at this stage just for the Macchi and Skyhawk. All other RNZAF aircraft have moved over to the new SAP based system called JEMS.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 19, 2007 21:47:41 GMT 12
Cheers Don. Yes I can just imagine the mountains of paperwork accrued for the Skyhawks over the years, and also imagine the Musuem not particularly wanting to store such material.
It would seem a shame to lose all that historical info though, eh. Especially if the aircraft sell and then get scrapped or whatever and the paperwork disappears.
Are all the old F700's kept in one place, like Wellington? Or are they kept by the unit that operates the aircraft?
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Post by skyhawkdon on Feb 20, 2007 6:40:09 GMT 12
Are all the old F700's kept in one place, like Wellington? Or are they kept by the unit that operates the aircraft? They were all kept at Ohakea in a storeroom in Tech/Log Wing when I was there. The Squadron Official and unofficial histories would provide a reasonable summary of daily activities and life on the Squadrons. They are held by the RNZAF Museum. The pilot's Authorisation Books would also provide details of sorties, pilot names, tail numbers etc. I'm not sure what happens to them - probably filed somewhere I'd imagine. Next time I'm at Wigram I'll ask what happened to the ACF Sqn's Auth Books. |
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