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Post by ngatimozart on Dec 8, 2012 15:44:05 GMT 12
The New Brighton Centotaph has been tagged by a mongrel tagger(s). The local RSA are staking it out in the hope of catching the mongrels. I hope when they catch they teach the mongrels some manners. |
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Post by steveh on Dec 8, 2012 19:12:09 GMT 12
Barbed wire scourging, it'd make em think twice before they did it again.  Steve |
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Post by skiddly on Dec 8, 2012 19:18:44 GMT 12
Just scum, Im pretty sure a public kicking would be acceptable for such a crime. That and a good old fashion stockcade.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 8, 2012 21:40:06 GMT 12
The National War Memorial in Wellington got tagged a week ago.
It is currently surrounded by scaffolding while it is beiing refurbished & earthquake-strengthened, and the scumbags climbed up the scaffolding to plaster the carillon tower with tags.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 8, 2012 22:06:17 GMT 12
Cambridge Cenotaph was tagged a few years ago too. These people who do such things have not been made properly aware of what such monuments actually mean to other people, to society in general, and even to themselves. They don't realise the freedom they enjoy in loafing about town doing as they please to all hours was won for them generations ago by young men their own age who were in general far more responsible in their actions and focused on a great cause that would retain such freedom and create a better society for the future generations to live in. Sadly somewhere along the way between that greatest generation and today's youth a vital link has broken down. We must educate the youth, teach them about sacrifice, commitment and respect and WHY they should respect, otherwise such actions as this will continue and will escalate till the monuments become meaningless.
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Post by corsair5517 on Dec 9, 2012 22:35:41 GMT 12
What do you expect when successive governments have de-fanged all the services, making them nowhere near as visible as they should rightly be? Add to that, the RSAs are getting smaller and smaller and schools not teaching the young about the sacrifices made by young men generations ago, and there you have it; an indolent youth culture with no moral anchor and too much time on their hands.
Giving the clowns that did this a hiding would solve nothing; you've got to solve the problem at the source!
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Post by Officer Crabtree on Dec 10, 2012 11:20:31 GMT 12
Corsair, in my schooling at least we were taught through Intermediate and are being taught through college about New Zealands involvement in various wars, although perhaps not as much as I would have liked being someone who enjoys history a lot. Nevertheless, anyone who has a basic ability to listen and learn should have no excuse for not knowing about ANZAC day, or the Vietnam war, or whatever they may have been taught about.
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Post by corsair5517 on Dec 10, 2012 21:01:08 GMT 12
Well, that's admirable..... I didn't receive anything like that; we got English history up the ying-yang! The only reason I knew anything about New Zealand's illustrious military history was because of the returned servicemen in the family.
And that's not addressing the whole "indolent youth" issue....
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Post by Officer Crabtree on Dec 10, 2012 21:50:43 GMT 12
Indolent youth...it is unfortunate that a minority within my generation make the rest of us look bad by doing stupid things such as these. I most definitely can't call all youth indolent, since I am surrounded by people who every day excel at sport, academic studies and suchlike. Sadly there are those that do nothing to contribute to society and expect everything they desire from it in return.
Compulsory attendance of a youth group such as cadets or St John would be the logical way to stop these idiots from doing stupid things like this, but I don't imagine it would be well received in New Zealand.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 11, 2012 11:32:42 GMT 12
When I was in Fourth Form in 1985 we learned all about WWII as a major phase of the Social Studies compulsory curriculum, and it covered NZ's part in that as well as the major powers and battles, etc.
Back then was when I first started to attend ANZAC Day Dawn Parade, and there would literally be myself, my mate's who's older Dad was in WWII and maybe one other teen there. Now when I go there are scores of teens and even younger at the Dawn Service, the younger generation has so much more understanding and respect than my generation did for ANZAC Day. I used to be an exception to the rule by attending but now I think those who choose to sleep in are. This has to be as much about the schools educating these kids about it as anything I would guess.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Dec 11, 2012 12:11:12 GMT 12
When I was a kid in the 1960s, my Dad didn't want me to attend the Anzac Day dawn service.
He regarded it as being for returned servicemen and not for kids.
However, I often used to attend the later civic ceremony, as part of Cubs, then Scouts. There were still quite a few Boer War veterans around back then, as well as a huge number of WWI vets, although both of those groups combined were considerably outnumbered by WWII veterans.
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Post by Calum on Dec 11, 2012 12:48:20 GMT 12
When I was in Fourth Form in 1985 we learned all about WWII as a major phase of the Social Studies compulsory curriculum, and it covered NZ's part in that as well as the major powers and battles, etc. . I was in the 4th Form in 1984, we didn't learn any NZ history or WW2 (much to my annoyance as I always liked ‘war stuff”. In all my schooling I cannot remember doing any NZ history or at all. History was an elective in my high school from 5th form onwards and I never took it. In fact I now more about Australian history than NZ history as I read a great series of historical novels in the early 1990’s based on European Colonisation of Australia As for ANZAC day, I never attended an ANZAC service when in the RNZAF until I was posted to Australia. I don’t remember any organised/compulsory parades for ANZAC day when I was serving in NZ. I had done them when I was in the ATC. I’d argue the” youth of today” overall have more of and idea/appreciation of ANZAC day and that sort of stuff that my generation did. I certainly know my kids are taught much more about it than i ever was, starting in primary school. I’m not excusing the desecration of any war memorial by a few idiots but I don’t think the attitude that kids today are all bad and we were so much better is correct. There are plenty of a_+ holes in our generation. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 11, 2012 13:04:08 GMT 12
I was in the 4th Form in 1984, we didn't learn any NZ history or WW2 (much to my annoyance as I always liked ‘war stuff”. Hmm, ok it must have been compulsory only in our school. Cambridge High School was a very good school in those days. It's had a lot of bad press in more recent years since to one psychotic headmistress but I believe it's now back to its old self as a top grade public school. I recall we also syudied world politics in that same class, discussing the topics of the day such as the Libyan Shi'ite Muslim terrorists, etc. I can't recall what else we learned now to be honest but the WWII stuff was good. Same here, apart form that Social Studies class I never had any formal history classes as I didn't take the electives from fifth form onwards. I wish I did now. I never studied history formally till i got to University. I only attended one ANZAC service while in the RNZAF, voluntarily, at Picton in 1989. Myself and two others were the only ones from our 4TTS course that went, but we were chuffed to be able to attend in SD uniform and got a great reception from the locals. Sadly I never did attend any others during my RNZAF service. I recall my Sgt telling me that a bunch from Wigram always attended the Christchurch service (as crowd, voluntarily) and afterwards went to the local RSA resthome to meet the veterans and spend the day with them. Then i was young and dumb and turned down the opportunity. I wish I could go back in time and do that now, it would have been awesome, there were still WWI vets there then. And loads of interesting WWII chaps. Totally agree. Though in our generation most grafitti had some humour and intelligence to it (like the classic one that used to be seen, "Rob Muldoon Before He Robs You") whereas now it makes no sense whatsoever. |
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Post by ngatimozart on Dec 11, 2012 19:18:02 GMT 12
When I was at Wigram (1976 - 79) we used to go to the Sumner Redcliffes RSA because they made a point of coming out to base and recruited service members. It was always a good day and started with the dawn service. My dad was a WWII vet and as a kid I was discouraged from going to the dawn service, so being in cubs and scouts went to the public service later in the morning.
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Post by corsair5517 on Dec 11, 2012 19:51:21 GMT 12
With all due respect, fellas..... that's STILL not addressing the issue of stopping a proportion of disaffected youth doing savage things like this to not just monuments to the fallen and the brave, but to any and all public spaces.
I don't know what high school kids in NZ are taught now about the military past - and I dread to think what is being taught about the Land Wars! - but I was taught nothing about WW1, WW2 or Korea/Malaya/Borneo: certainly nothing about Vietnam, however, I could have told you about the unification of Italy, and the Poll Tax in medieval England!
It's my view that parenting is the issue at hand, but I am at a loss to know what the hell to do about that!
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