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Post by pjw4118 on Feb 4, 2015 14:43:43 GMT 12
It would be a shame if idiots spoiled a great tool and hobby. Mind you if one pestered me I would introduce it to some No2 shot
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Post by baz62 on Feb 4, 2015 15:46:40 GMT 12
Mind you if one pestered me I would introduce it to some No2 shot You could borrow the rear turret from the Lancaster and introduce one to 0.50 Caliber! :-) My boss used to have a office upstairs with a window overlooking the workshop. I wondered one day how he would react to one of these UAVs hovering outside his window with a note reading "Pay rise or the next visit is armed!"
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Post by pjw4118 on Feb 4, 2015 17:51:37 GMT 12
Baz , a turret on an Auster what a great idea , although the recoil may cause a few problems. Where would you mount it ? Jimmy Sheddan et al once shot geese from a Storch and caused a serious reduction in airspeed , their C of G already compromised with beer bottles. I like your sending messages by UAV , certainly an update on the old wire wizzy things I remember from boyhood ( 1000 years ago ) that hurtled across department stores. They apparently carried all sorts of useful things from the stores boys to the account girls as well as cash.
In reality , maybe if some body wishes to fly across your property at less than 500 ft permission is needed.
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Post by lumpy on Feb 4, 2015 20:21:24 GMT 12
In reality , maybe if some body wishes to fly across your property at less than 500 ft permission is needed. They are not allowed to fly higher than 400 ft anyway ( without special clearance ) . Its one of the existing RC rules that some users of these craft seem to either ignore , or have no knowledge of .
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 5, 2015 21:36:07 GMT 12
There is a good interview with Philip Tarry, Chairman of ARPAS (Association of Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems) in the UK on episode 37 of the Xtended Podcast. They are finding their CAA very helpful! aviation-xtended.co.uk/ep-37-moths-and-drones/
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Post by isc on Feb 21, 2015 1:51:43 GMT 12
I was in Noel Leemings today, and found that by their helicopter display, a bundle of leaflets "Flying With Control?" CAA With www.nzmaa.org.nz and www.caa.govt.nz/rpasThere is a list of does, and don'ts. isc
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Post by Peter Lewis on Mar 6, 2015 20:40:02 GMT 12
"All drones to be registered in the UK?The spectre of compulsory "drone" regulation is looming large in the UK. The House of Lords has proposed that all drones, both commercial and recreational, be registered as a way of helping preserve public safety -- a move that clearly shows just how out of touch these people are with the reality of the situation. If anyone had suggested just 10 years ago that toy planes would be treated like firearms and require the owners to not only register them but to file flight-plans every time they took them out into the back-yard for a quick flight, they would have been laughed at. Yet this is exactly what citizens of the UK and the wider EU are facing. The justification is that it will allow authorities to more easily track down and deal to law-breakers. Oh the naivety! Does the House of Lords really think that the real trouble-makers -- ie: criminals and terrorists, are actually going to register their drones in the first place? Of course not. Just like so many other ridiculous and overly restrictive attempts at nailing jelly to a tree, this registration process will impact only those who are actually law-abiding and therefore, by implication, far less likely to pose a threat to public safety. Do criminal gangs register their firearms with police in the UK? You bet they don't! Do you think they'll register their drones? Well I guess the House of Lords thinks they will. Sigh! The EU's plan is to require flight-plans to be registered by all drone operators so that they can be integrated into the air traffic control system that presently manages full-sized aircraft. Is this crazy? The reality is that in just about every country in the Western world, drones are restricted to flights below 400 feet above ground-level (AGL) and full-sized aircraft are limited to no lower than 500 feet AGL except when taking off, landing or operating in a designated low-flying area. With this 100 feet of vertical separation, why bother loading up air-traffic controllers with extra work to deal with craft that should never be sharing airspace with full-sized planes? As for registration - how will the UK government deal with the thousands of keen amateurs who build their own drones? Will, as in the case of firearms, specific components be considered the equivalent of a fully operative device and require licensing on their own? When a hobby-flier crashes their drone, will they have to de-register that craft or will the drone-register eventually become clogged with "dead entries"? Will drones have to carry a registration number written in large enough print that it can be read from hundreds of yards away so that members of the public or authorities can identify the craft whilst it's flying? If so, will these micro-quads become illegal to own or use? Will those people who build drones as a hobby have to become licensed in the same way that a firearms manufacturer does and will those who sell these craft at a retail level require special vault-like locked storage facilities? In short... the House of Lords proposal is silly beyond belief -- but I doubt that will stop idiot politicians from backing it all the way. And to think... we still allow children to play with bows and arrows. Oh the horror!" www.aardvark.co.nz/daily/2015/0306.shtml#continue
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Post by isc on Mar 6, 2015 21:12:40 GMT 12
Its probably not the House of Lords, but the EU in Brussels. Here licencing might end up as CB radio did, you register but it's free, when I was into CB back in the 1970s, there was an annual fee. There was one radio inspector for each Island, and I don't know how many CBers, the Post Office put up their hands and surrended. I'v got a $20 chopper from K MART, I'm sure it would lift a little camera, I suppose it would need registering too,LOL. isc
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2015 23:40:03 GMT 12
Alastair Rivers, of the Kapiti Model Aero Club, made a good point tonight on Radio New Zealand in that if you wish to learn to fly a model aeroplane you have to have an approved instructor beside you the whole time who can step in and take over if the student cannot handle the model, till the student is deemed safe enough to go solo and understands all the CAA regulations, etc. However anyone can go and buy a UAV/drone off the shelf and can immediately go fly it, without having any understanding of aerodynamics, the speed of the machine, the hazards etc. It's a bit scary really.
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Post by thebrads on Mar 7, 2015 1:55:37 GMT 12
Alastair Rivers, of the Kapiti Model Aero Club, made a good point tonight on Radio New Zealand in that if you wish to learn to fly a model aeroplane you have to have an approved instructor beside you the whole time who can step in and take over if the student cannot handle the model, till the student is deemed safe enough to go solo and understands all the CAA regulations, etc. However anyone can go and buy a UAV/drone off the shelf and can immediately go fly it, without having any understanding of aerodynamics, the speed of the machine, the hazards etc. It's a bit scary really. If this is what Mr Rivers said, then he is wrong, in that there is no requirement to have an approved instructor. Identically to the UAV scenario, anybody can purchase (locally or import) a model aircraft and go out and teach themselves to fly anywhere they like, ignorant of instructor and rules. I would argue that this is how the majority of recent and future new model pilots in NZ learn to fly. (There are some situations where CAA have determined that a model pilot must be MFNZ recognized, but that does not proclude anyone else from flying a toy plane in their back yard/local park.) There are circa 2000 active members of MFNZ, but id wager a lot more than 2000 garages in NZ with some form of rc aircaft in it.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 7, 2015 9:29:24 GMT 12
OK, I probably misconstrued what he was saying. My apologies.
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Post by Darren Masters on Mar 7, 2015 11:06:44 GMT 12
God this world is becoming so so silly. Policing every single thing. Makes me sick really. What is my child going to grow up and be 'allowed' to do? Knitting with a cup of tea in hand? You will probably need a licence for that too by then as hot tea can be dangerous.
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Post by harrysone on Mar 7, 2015 17:57:26 GMT 12
Scary thing in nz the CAA is classifying all remote controlled aircraft as RPAS including models.. The inference is that even hobbyists here may have to file a flight plan before the fly at their local park through Airshare...not a bad hing I guess, however if all you want to do is operate a foamy park flyer at your local park (to take advantage of the sudden lack of wind in a very windy place like NZ), it will take 48 hrs for the folks at Airshare to approve your flight & by that time it will be raining with 50kts winds!
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Post by isc on Mar 7, 2015 20:18:31 GMT 12
Two or three months ago, the model aeroplane guys from Christchurch were out this way over a couple of week ends or so, went and had a look, gliders one week, jets the next. Now those jets are really something, one of those in the wrong hands could be quite a weapon, or could carry a camera to places no other aircraft could go. I believe that the flying required clearance, not for each flight, but for the day. The one that impressed me was an FB-5 Vampire in RNZAF colours, or the 2 Pawnees, and the Agwagon glider tugs. isc
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Post by Bruce on Mar 7, 2015 21:57:56 GMT 12
Scary thing in nz the CAA is classifying all remote controlled aircraft as RPAS including models.. The inference is that even hobbyists here may have to file a flight plan before the fly at their local park through Airshare...not a bad hing I guess, however if all you want to do is operate a foamy park flyer at your local park (to take advantage of the sudden lack of wind in a very windy place like NZ), it will take 48 hrs for the folks at Airshare to approve your flight & by that time it will be raining with 50kts winds! er no, thats definitely not the case. RPAS category does include models, but as a sub category which has its own existing rule and code of conduct. Foamy park flyers and the like will never be regulated so the status quo will continue to apply. CAA have far better things to do than chase park flyers. Give CAA some credit, they arent stupid...
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Post by isc on Mar 8, 2015 23:23:08 GMT 12
I read up some model aeroplane club web sites, and some of them use a dual control radio system, and recommend using a flight simulator program on a computer. At one stage I got really daring, and took up flying a single channel glider, had more success with that than the cheapy helo. isc
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Post by lumpy on Mar 9, 2015 6:37:16 GMT 12
I have said it before ( and I'll say it again ) , the existing RC rules are reasonably satisfactory . The difference now is that once upon a time ( 15 or so years ago ) if you wanted to fly RC you pretty much had to join a club - otherwise you stood no chance of success . As a result you also learnt the rules . Modern electronics however have changed that ( both with planes and " drones " ) and now it is fairly straight forward to learn to fly alone - with no knowledge that rules even exist . This is where effort needs to be directed , not so much with the actual rules ( possibly just a little tweaking ) , but with how to ensure people know the rules ( and perhaps how they are enforced )
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Mar 20, 2015 16:52:28 GMT 12
Is it illegal to fly a drone beneath a bridge?
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Post by lumpy on Mar 20, 2015 19:01:49 GMT 12
Is it illegal to fly a drone beneath a bridge? As far as I know its fine . The rules are set to prevent RC aircraft from encroaching on other airspace users , so as long as the "drone " didnt exceed 400ft high , nor is closer than 4km from the nearest airfield ( and not in controlled airspace ) , it should be legal . Possibly not really advised , due to the distraction of road users , but its other airspace users that the rules are really designed for . Having said that , local authorities can set their own bylaws about RC flying from " public " land or reserves ( which this appears to be ) so it could still be against their rules . Nice footage .
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Post by philip on Mar 23, 2015 11:51:32 GMT 12
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