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Post by Ykato on Mar 26, 2013 14:13:48 GMT 12
Air NZ 'greed' angers The people of Manawatu have thrown their weight behind calls for Air New Zealand to cut the price of fares on provincial routes, slamming the national carrier's service at Palmerston North Airport as an unreliable, inconvenient "ripoff". The Manawatu Standard has been inundated with letters and text messages since a report scrutinising the prices Air New Zealand charges to fly out of Palmerston North was published. Investigations found it was often hundreds of dollars more expensive to fly from Palmerston North on Air New Zealand to Auckland or Christchurch, compared with leaving from Wellington. Full item Here: www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/8473398/Airport-chief-gives-savings-tips |
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Post by alexjc on Mar 26, 2013 15:05:09 GMT 12
 You could just about say that for the other main ATR served provincial centres. No Jetstar equals no competition. The ATR 72 is super efficent, even more so with the -600s. Balatant profit taking on a captive population. Air Nelson needs to ditch the Q300 and adopt the ATR 42...while they can still get a good resale value out of the Qs. One thing that really annoys me is the slogan beside the aircraft entry door that says "small planes mean small fares" - yeah right! EADS desperatly needs to get the ATR 90 into production. There is going to be such a big hole when the 737s go.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Mar 26, 2013 15:31:45 GMT 12
No Jetstar equals no competition. 
If Jetstar offered a decent competitive service in competition with Air NZ on ALL domestic sectors in NZ instead of merely cherry-picking on the main trunk routes (and forcing Air NZ into price cutting on the main-trunk at the expense of provincial routes), then competitive pressures could result in lower fares throughout ENZED instead of only on a few main routes. |
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Post by corsair67 on Mar 26, 2013 15:39:27 GMT 12
No Jetstar equals no competition.
If Jetstar offered a decent competitive service in competition with Air NZ on ALL domestic sectors in NZ instead of merely cherry-picking on the main trunk routes (and forcing Air NZ into price cutting on the main-trunk at the expense of provincial routes), then competitive pressures could result in lower fares throughout ENZED instead of only on a few main routes.Wow - I never expected you to come out with that response....  That's right everyone - it's another company's fault that Air New Zealand is being greedy and is blatantly price gouging on provincial routes. KTJ, can you also blame "my mate" John Key as well - please, pretty please? |
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Post by thomarse on Mar 31, 2013 10:51:32 GMT 12
It's called "Supply and Demand" Corsair67.
Control the supply, you control the price.
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Post by corsair67 on Mar 31, 2013 11:18:21 GMT 12
It's called "Supply and Demand" Corsair67. Control the supply, you control the price. True; but you'd also think a (once) privately-listed company that was bailed out to the tune of $855mil by the taxpayers of New Zealand - after its 'leadership' had delusions of grandeur and dug a very large hole for the company trying to play with the big boys in Australia - would also exercise some corporate responsibility on pricing for regional routes? Maybe it'd be cheaper for everyone if the Govt invested in a decent intercity train link between Wellington and Palmerston North instead? |
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Post by ruakituri on Mar 31, 2013 15:06:34 GMT 12
You could just about say that for the other main ATR served provincial centres. No Jetstar equals no competition. ATR 72 is super efficent, even more so with the -600s. Balatant profit taking on a captive population. Air Nelson needs to ditch the Q300 and adopt the ATR 42...while they can still get a good resale value out of the Qs. One thing that really annoys me is the slogan beside the aircraft entry door that says "small planes mean small fares" - yeah right! EADS desperatly needs to get the ATR 90 into production. There is going to be such a big hole when the 737s go. |
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Post by ruakituri on Mar 31, 2013 15:10:08 GMT 12
Hi. The ATR 600 is no more efficent then the 500 series
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Post by sqwark2k on Mar 31, 2013 20:25:30 GMT 12
Says who?? Explain....
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Post by ruakituri on Mar 31, 2013 20:49:25 GMT 12
Says me. I have flowen both variants.
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Post by sqwark2k on Apr 5, 2013 21:57:08 GMT 12
So the PW127M engine is no more fuel efficient than the F variant? Is ATR telling more porkies to get the deal?
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Post by ruakituri on Apr 6, 2013 8:32:28 GMT 12
Correct, same burn, same seats and subject to what your company spec with France, same weights. I have never seen or heard anything from ATR to suggest that the engine varient is more efficient. All it allows is for the pilot to electoniclly comp the eng on board. Certainly no porkies being told here by ATR
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Post by ruakituri on Apr 6, 2013 8:37:12 GMT 12
I should also mention that 600 also allows for more power at takeoff approx 5%. However note, this is only if your airline has ticked the box for that option... Not all 600 will have this buton installed
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Post by ngatimozart on Apr 6, 2013 16:59:13 GMT 12
As an interesting aside there is an MPA variant of the ATR 72 serving with the Italian Air Force and Alenia are developing an ASW vaiant of it. The MPA variant can also beused to deploy parachutists.
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Post by corsair67 on Apr 14, 2013 11:48:53 GMT 12
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Post by ngatimozart on Apr 14, 2013 13:39:54 GMT 12
I remember flying CHC - Invercargill in an Air NZ B737 back in 1985. The Boeings used to fly in there regularly. So why can't they now.
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Post by corsair67 on Apr 14, 2013 14:07:43 GMT 12
I remember flying CHC - Invercargill in an Air NZ B737 back in 1985. The Boeings used to fly in there regularly. So why can't they now. That's what I was thinking too - seems a strange excuse. |
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Post by thomarse on Apr 14, 2013 15:48:13 GMT 12
Supply and demand.
Boeings provided too much "supply" in IVC, PMR, NPE, HLZ - have I missed any? Oh yes, ROT although I think there may be a few B737 services again now?
B737 flights WLG - DUD are as rare as rocking-horse shit now as well.
In Air NZ's defence, they would say it's better to provide 7 x 40-seater services a day than 2 x 140-seater, and they'd be right.
There's another fact to consider too - these "cheapie" fares in isolation equate to far less than the operating cost of the aircraft. Take Air NZ's "Nightrider" between AKL and WLG at a flat $29 - does anyone on this Board really think that the operating cost of that service is less than say 140 x $29?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 14, 2013 17:04:20 GMT 12
From that article Craig posted today:
"Fifteen years ago it cost $900 to fly [return] from Invercargill and $700 to go via Sydney and nothing's changed."
Hang on, so the price has not gone up in fifteen years and yet they say it has become too expensive?? Surely that makes it a huge amount cheaper now when you take into account inflation?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 14, 2013 17:52:21 GMT 12
Way back, the Boeing 737s also used to fly into Napier and Palmerston North. But they only had a small number of flights per day.
And the Fokker Friendships used to fly to and from Gisborne, yet there were only two services each way between Wellington and Gisborne (with one service each way going via Napier) and two services each way beteen Auckland and Gisborne. I know, because I used to live in Gisborne and use those services. Then, Air NZ took over Eagle Air and got rid of the Friendships, and suddenly the number of services in and out of each route to and from Gisborne increased. They doubled on the Wellington services and tripled on the Auckland services. I bet the same thing happened with Invercargill when they switched from using Boeing 737s to smaller aircraft.
Anyway, the high fares on provincial routes could be fixed in a jiffy. All it would take would be for Jetstar to fly to everywhere Air NZ flies to and offer REAL competition, instead of only creaming stuff from the main trunk routes and effectively throwing the provinces to the dogs. If Jetstar flew to all the provincial places, I guarantee airfares would come down with the resultant price war.
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You could just about say that for the other main ATR served provincial centres. No Jetstar equals no competition. The ATR 72 is super efficent, even more so with the -600s. Balatant profit taking on a captive population. Air Nelson needs to ditch the Q300 and adopt the ATR 42...while they can still get a good resale value out of the Qs. 
